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> There have been a few different attempts that look like this. Samsung Nx, Samsung Galaxy Camera, Sony has tried phone add on accessories. Basically they all s

> There have been a few different attempts that look like this. Samsung Nx, Samsung Galaxy Camera, Sony has tried phone add on accessories. Basically they all sort of flop in the market. There was exactly ONE attempt. One. And it was pretty successful, at that: Samsung NX1. I had it, it was pretty good, but with a first-gen teething issues. Phone add-on accessories don't work because they're clumsy and connectivity just sucks. And ultra-professional $6k cameras from Zeiss miss the mark entirely, you need to target a prosumer market (i.e. me). > I wouldn’t say that camera design is stuck in the 80s, either. The form factor is necessarily constrained by needing a tubular lens projecting in front of a flat imaging plane. But why do you need a large protrusion on the right? You don't have a film canister anymore. I already wrote about a myriad of physical controls. Just make it large enough to hold the camera.

dghlsakjg 2y ago
There was one interchangeable lens attempt, and multiple non interchangeable ones. As mentioned, the Samsung galaxy camera, as well as Polaroid branded android cameras. You need the large protrusion on the right because you have to hold the thing. It’s a handle. It needs to be somewhere, most people are right eye, right hand dominant. It makes a lot of sense to have it that way. The primary hand holds the camera, the other hand holds and supports the lens. In the olden days, the film canister was physically stored on the left in almost all cameras (and certainly in all SLRs), so the protrusion on the right isn’t really a remnant of film designs. Older film cameras actually have smaller less ergonomic protrusions on the right (look at a Nikon F2 vs. the modern Z8). The big ergonomic protrusion on the right has been an evolution of newer modern technology and expectations. You can get a camera with gps, wifi, Bluetooth etc. do they have you screens that don’t have multitouch? It’s pretty hard not to get all that TBH. I can do crops and color treatments on my Nikon if I don’t want to just transfer directly to my phone and do the editing there. Yeah, the camera doesn’t automatically put it all in my iPhoto, but that is literally just a few taps. There are MILC cameras that have minimal physical controls and touchscreens so I’m not really sure what you’re looking for? The sigma FP is pretty minimal, and you just strap on what you need.
- cyberax 2y ago
  > You can get a camera with gps, wifi, Bluetooth etc. No, I can not. There are no cameras cheaper than around $7k with GPS. I checked.
  - numpad0 2y ago
    > There are no cameras cheaper than around $7k with GPS false. E-M1X, K-I, K-1II, 6DII, 5DIV, SLT-A55V, SLT-A65V, SLT-A77V all has/had it well under $7k. There are also few compact models intended for construction and/or field research purposes that has Wi-Fi && GPS.
    - cyberax 2y ago
      > SLT-A55V, SLT-A65V, SLT-A77V 2010-2011 > 5DIV 2016, etc. I tried this site: https://cameradecision.com/features/Best-Mirrorless-cameras-with-GPS https://cameradecision.com/features/Best-Mirrorless-cameras-... - and it's a bit cheaper than $7k for new cameras, only around $5k. Are you aware of any recent-ish cameras with reasonable price and GPS?
      - hug 2y ago
        You can get a Ricoh G900 II, which was released earlier this year, for sub-$800. It's also fully automatic and doesn't require you to do much with knobs and dials. And it's waterproof! I suspect you'll complain about it though.
        cyberax 2y ago
        No changeable lenses and not a full-frame sensor, does not support RAW. I'm seriously interested in buying a reasonably-priced modern mirrorless camera with GPS. I'm not joking, I've been looking for a while to replace my old Sony Alpha.
        verandaguy 2y ago
mlyle 2y ago
That large protrusion on the right makes it easy to hold the camera. It's a convenient place to put a battery and a bunch of controls, too.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  As a matter of fact, there are accessories for smartphones providing that protrusion and a physical trigger.
verandaguy 2y ago
> And ultra-professional $6k cameras from Zeiss miss the mark entirely, you need to target a prosumer market (i.e. me). Zeiss is generally not a camera maker, at least not these days; the ZX1 is more of a halo product than anything. They're much better-known for their optics, which are often niche, but usually worth the money if it's your niche. In any case, a better example of a professional camera would be something like Nikon's Z8 and Z9, Sony's A7/9/1 models, or Canon's newer EOSes. They're also a good amount cheaper than USD$6k, in most cases. > But why do you need a large protrusion on the right? You don't have a film canister anymore. I already wrote about a myriad of physical controls. Just make it large enough to hold the camera. Because that's where your right hand goes. Most people are right-handed, and having a comfortable grip is nice. Your left hand will usually go under the lens (or at the base of the lens for short or light lenses).

dghlsakjg 2y ago

There was one interchangeable lens attempt, and multiple non interchangeable ones. As mentioned, the Samsung galaxy camera, as well as Polaroid branded android cameras. You need the large protrusion on the right because you have to hold the thing. It’s a handle. It needs to be somewhere, most people are right eye, right hand dominant. It makes a lot of sense to have it that way. The primary hand holds the camera, the other hand holds and supports the lens. In the olden days, the film canister was physically stored on the left in almost all cameras (and certainly in all SLRs), so the protrusion on the right isn’t really a remnant of film designs. Older film cameras actually have smaller less ergonomic protrusions on the right (look at a Nikon F2 vs. the modern Z8). The big ergonomic protrusion on the right has been an evolution of newer modern technology and expectations. You can get a camera with gps, wifi, Bluetooth etc. do they have you screens that don’t have multitouch? It’s pretty hard not to get all that TBH. I can do crops and color treatments on my Nikon if I don’t want to just transfer directly to my phone and do the editing there. Yeah, the camera doesn’t automatically put it all in my iPhoto, but that is literally just a few taps. There are MILC cameras that have minimal physical controls and touchscreens so I’m not really sure what you’re looking for? The sigma FP is pretty minimal, and you just strap on what you need.

cyberax 2y ago
> You can get a camera with gps, wifi, Bluetooth etc. No, I can not. There are no cameras cheaper than around $7k with GPS. I checked.
- numpad0 2y ago
  > There are no cameras cheaper than around $7k with GPS false. E-M1X, K-I, K-1II, 6DII, 5DIV, SLT-A55V, SLT-A65V, SLT-A77V all has/had it well under $7k. There are also few compact models intended for construction and/or field research purposes that has Wi-Fi && GPS.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    > SLT-A55V, SLT-A65V, SLT-A77V 2010-2011 > 5DIV 2016, etc. I tried this site: https://cameradecision.com/features/Best-Mirrorless-cameras-with-GPS https://cameradecision.com/features/Best-Mirrorless-cameras-... - and it's a bit cheaper than $7k for new cameras, only around $5k. Are you aware of any recent-ish cameras with reasonable price and GPS?
    - hug 2y ago
      You can get a Ricoh G900 II, which was released earlier this year, for sub-$800. It's also fully automatic and doesn't require you to do much with knobs and dials. And it's waterproof! I suspect you'll complain about it though.
      - cyberax 2y ago
        No changeable lenses and not a full-frame sensor, does not support RAW. I'm seriously interested in buying a reasonably-priced modern mirrorless camera with GPS. I'm not joking, I've been looking for a while to replace my old Sony Alpha.
        verandaguy 2y ago

mlyle 2y ago

That large protrusion on the right makes it easy to hold the camera. It's a convenient place to put a battery and a bunch of controls, too.

prmoustache 2y ago
As a matter of fact, there are accessories for smartphones providing that protrusion and a physical trigger.

verandaguy 2y ago

> And ultra-professional $6k cameras from Zeiss miss the mark entirely, you need to target a prosumer market (i.e. me). Zeiss is generally not a camera maker, at least not these days; the ZX1 is more of a halo product than anything. They're much better-known for their optics, which are often niche, but usually worth the money if it's your niche. In any case, a better example of a professional camera would be something like Nikon's Z8 and Z9, Sony's A7/9/1 models, or Canon's newer EOSes. They're also a good amount cheaper than USD$6k, in most cases. > But why do you need a large protrusion on the right? You don't have a film canister anymore. I already wrote about a myriad of physical controls. Just make it large enough to hold the camera. Because that's where your right hand goes. Most people are right-handed, and having a comfortable grip is nice. Your left hand will usually go under the lens (or at the base of the lens for short or light lenses).