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I was surprised at the claim that intentionally giving someone AIDS would be decriminalized, so I looked it up. The AIDS bill you seem to refer to (SB 239) lowe

I was surprised at the claim that intentionally giving someone AIDS would be decriminalized, so I looked it up. The AIDS bill you seem to refer to (SB 239) lowers penalties from a felony to a misdemeanor (so it is still a crime), bringing it in line with other sexually transmitted diseases. The argument is that we now have good enough treatment for HIV that there is no reason for the punishment to be harsher than for exposing someone to hepatitis or herpes, which I think is sound.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
"Undetectable means untranstmitable" is NOT the same as "cured" in the way that many STDs can be. I am not okay with being forced onto drugs for the rest of my life to prevent a disease which is normally a horribly painful death sentence. Herpes is so ubiquitous that much of the population (as I recall on the orders of 30-40%) has it and doesn't know it, so it's a special exception HIV/AIDS to this day is still something that people commit suicide over, despite how good your local gay male community is at trying to convince you that everything is okay and that "DoxyPep and Poppers is normal". Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies.
- diebeforei485 2y ago
  Exposure is not the same as transmission. Transmission is still illegal.
- deredede 2y ago
  > Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies. I agree; I think that knowingly transmitting any communicable disease deserves a felony, but I don't think that HIV deserves to be singled out when all other such diseases are a misdemeanor. Hepatitis and herpes (oral herpes is very common; genital herpes much less so) are also known to cause mental issues and to increase suicide risk, if that's your criterion. (Poppers are recreational drugs, I'm not aware of any link with AIDS except that they were thought to be a possible cause in the '80s. Were you thinking of prep?)
- fennecfoxy 2y ago
  Please don't generalise "your local gay community". You don't speak for all of us.

Der_Einzige 2y ago

"Undetectable means untranstmitable" is NOT the same as "cured" in the way that many STDs can be. I am not okay with being forced onto drugs for the rest of my life to prevent a disease which is normally a horribly painful death sentence. Herpes is so ubiquitous that much of the population (as I recall on the orders of 30-40%) has it and doesn't know it, so it's a special exception HIV/AIDS to this day is still something that people commit suicide over, despite how good your local gay male community is at trying to convince you that everything is okay and that "DoxyPep and Poppers is normal". Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies.

diebeforei485 2y ago
Exposure is not the same as transmission. Transmission is still illegal.
deredede 2y ago
> Bug givers (the evil version of a bug chaser) deserve felonies. I agree; I think that knowingly transmitting any communicable disease deserves a felony, but I don't think that HIV deserves to be singled out when all other such diseases are a misdemeanor. Hepatitis and herpes (oral herpes is very common; genital herpes much less so) are also known to cause mental issues and to increase suicide risk, if that's your criterion. (Poppers are recreational drugs, I'm not aware of any link with AIDS except that they were thought to be a possible cause in the '80s. Were you thinking of prep?)
fennecfoxy 2y ago
Please don't generalise "your local gay community". You don't speak for all of us.