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Ubuntu/Debian/Mint family will get it, one day... Reminded that Debian-family is outdated linux that uses the marketing 'stable' which has 0 relations to the n

Ubuntu/Debian/Mint family will get it, one day... Reminded that Debian-family is outdated linux that uses the marketing 'stable' which has 0 relations to the number of bugs. Modern Linux like Fedora has those bugs already fixed. I say this as a warning. I thought we were trapped with Windows 11 and 'Linux'(meaning Debian-family). No, turns out that is outdated linux and Modern linux is amazing. I'm a bit reluctant to lump Fedora in with 'Linux', because its not fair to Fedora.

jakjak123 2y ago
Yeah, I have been saying this for years now. Debian and Ubuntu type distros starts doing custom patches and cherry picks changes into 3 year old software, just to keep it chugging along. Sounds like insanity to me. Just upgrade so you are not 3-4 years behind, and by keeping the number of custom patching lower, have a simpler time fixing bugs.
- nineteen999 2y ago
  This is fine if you are say, only running a web site that sells internet widgets and the only downside to your site going down is a few stroppy stockholders. If you are running a mission critical service, oh say for example wide-area emergency services dispatch, the downside is people might die and you will look like a dickhead for insisting on living on the bleeding edge.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> Reminded that Debian-family is outdated linux that uses the marketing 'stable' which has 0 relations to the number of bugs. Correct: It is stable, which is to say that things that work today will work tomorrow and the system does its best to stay out of your way. It doesn't, say, expect you to jump major versions every 6 months like other distros you might name. > I thought we were trapped with Windows 11 and 'Linux'(meaning Debian-family). I mean, yeah, the family of Linux distros alone is huge; conflating "Linux" and "Debian-family" is a significant mistake. > No, turns out that is outdated linux and Modern linux is amazing. And less-bleeding-edge Linux is also amazing. Unless you need the new stuff, moving at a slightly more sedate pace is perfectly fine. Which way the tradeoffs go depends on you and your usecases; some people want all the new shiny features right right now and benefit from riding the bleeding edge (like Debian Sid, Arch, or yes Fedora), and some people want to set things up and then not have to think about that machine for another few years (funny enough, I'd actually prefer that Debian supported each release for an even longer time, but that takes resources the project doesn't have). Bashing either approach is myopic.
exe34 2y ago
I don't think I've ever had a Debian install crash. When they say stable, they mean stable.
rcxdude 2y ago
Stability is more about not introducing new bugs than reducing the number of bugs in total. i.e. if a system is working well enough for you now, because you can work around or are unaffected by the bugs that currently exist, and your requirements don't change, it will continue to work for you in the future, because they are much less likely to disrupt your setup with new bugs or even just changes that require your intervention. Debian is great for that 'throw some infrastructure on a box and leave it chugging away for years' kind of situation, and conversely terrible for the 'actively developing a new product' situation.
kcb 2y ago
Fedora and Ubuntu release at the same frequency...

jakjak123 2y ago

Yeah, I have been saying this for years now. Debian and Ubuntu type distros starts doing custom patches and cherry picks changes into 3 year old software, just to keep it chugging along. Sounds like insanity to me. Just upgrade so you are not 3-4 years behind, and by keeping the number of custom patching lower, have a simpler time fixing bugs.

nineteen999 2y ago
This is fine if you are say, only running a web site that sells internet widgets and the only downside to your site going down is a few stroppy stockholders. If you are running a mission critical service, oh say for example wide-area emergency services dispatch, the downside is people might die and you will look like a dickhead for insisting on living on the bleeding edge.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> Reminded that Debian-family is outdated linux that uses the marketing 'stable' which has 0 relations to the number of bugs. Correct: It is stable, which is to say that things that work today will work tomorrow and the system does its best to stay out of your way. It doesn't, say, expect you to jump major versions every 6 months like other distros you might name. > I thought we were trapped with Windows 11 and 'Linux'(meaning Debian-family). I mean, yeah, the family of Linux distros alone is huge; conflating "Linux" and "Debian-family" is a significant mistake. > No, turns out that is outdated linux and Modern linux is amazing. And less-bleeding-edge Linux is also amazing. Unless you need the new stuff, moving at a slightly more sedate pace is perfectly fine. Which way the tradeoffs go depends on you and your usecases; some people want all the new shiny features right right now and benefit from riding the bleeding edge (like Debian Sid, Arch, or yes Fedora), and some people want to set things up and then not have to think about that machine for another few years (funny enough, I'd actually prefer that Debian supported each release for an even longer time, but that takes resources the project doesn't have). Bashing either approach is myopic.

exe34 2y ago

I don't think I've ever had a Debian install crash. When they say stable, they mean stable.

rcxdude 2y ago

Stability is more about not introducing new bugs than reducing the number of bugs in total. i.e. if a system is working well enough for you now, because you can work around or are unaffected by the bugs that currently exist, and your requirements don't change, it will continue to work for you in the future, because they are much less likely to disrupt your setup with new bugs or even just changes that require your intervention. Debian is great for that 'throw some infrastructure on a box and leave it chugging away for years' kind of situation, and conversely terrible for the 'actively developing a new product' situation.

kcb 2y ago

Fedora and Ubuntu release at the same frequency...