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From the article, that your automatic “well it can’t be racism it must be that black people are naturally bad in other ways” response implies you did not read:

by olliej 2y ago

From the article, that your automatic “well it can’t be racism it must be that black people are naturally bad in other ways” response implies you did not read: “Our findings show that when speed cameras are doing the ticketing, the proportion of tickets issued to Black and white drivers aligns closely with their respective share of roadway users. With human enforcement, in contrast, police officers stop Black drivers at a rate that far outstrips their presence on the road.” The rate that speeding tickets are issued when police are involved rather than automation is very clearly racially biased.

yesco 2y ago
> Your automatic “well it can’t be racism it must be that black people are naturally bad in other ways” response Excuse me? This is an extremely uncharitable interpretation of my reply. > “Our findings show that when speed cameras are doing the ticketing, the proportion of tickets issued to Black and white drivers aligns closely with their respective share of roadway users. *With human enforcement, in contrast, police officers stop Black drivers at a rate that far outstrips their presence on the road.*” This is precisely the text that lead to my reply, why would they compare speeding tickets from speeding cameras with traffic stops by police and not speeding tickets from police? I'm not denying there is something here, just that this is a dishonest comparison. In fact if you had read to the end of the article you would have seen they even indirectly allude to this: > Over half of police stops in Chicago for 2023 were license plate, registration or equipment related. Automating enforcement of such nonmoving violations would eliminate a major reason for police-driver interaction, reducing the potential for bias and escalation.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41691101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41691101>
TacticalCoder 2y ago
> ... “well it can’t be racism it must be that black people are naturally bad in other ways” First it's not what GP said at all... But seen that you obviously want to go down that route here's a harsh reality check which you're not going to like. Here are official numbers from the FBI from 2018, only concerning white and black victims and white and black murderers: 3114 murders of either black or white (but mostly black) victims by black perpetrators 2911 murders of either black or white (but mostly white) victims by white perpetrators These are official numbers from the FBI [1]. But then in 2018 black people only made about 13% of the US population while non-latino whites made about 61% of the population. Invoke socio-economic status / class warfare or whatever you want to explain why black people are 5x more likely to commit murder but the official numbers are there and hard to dispute. FWIW my family is white, black and yellow so you can safely send your "racist" card to /dev/null. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

by olliej 2y ago

yesco 2y ago

> Your automatic “well it can’t be racism it must be that black people are naturally bad in other ways” response Excuse me? This is an extremely uncharitable interpretation of my reply. > “Our findings show that when speed cameras are doing the ticketing, the proportion of tickets issued to Black and white drivers aligns closely with their respective share of roadway users. *With human enforcement, in contrast, police officers stop Black drivers at a rate that far outstrips their presence on the road.*” This is precisely the text that lead to my reply, why would they compare speeding tickets from speeding cameras with traffic stops by police and not speeding tickets from police? I'm not denying there is something here, just that this is a dishonest comparison. In fact if you had read to the end of the article you would have seen they even indirectly allude to this: > Over half of police stops in Chicago for 2023 were license plate, registration or equipment related. Automating enforcement of such nonmoving violations would eliminate a major reason for police-driver interaction, reducing the potential for bias and escalation.

dredmorbius 2y ago
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41691101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41691101>

TacticalCoder 2y ago

> ... “well it can’t be racism it must be that black people are naturally bad in other ways” First it's not what GP said at all... But seen that you obviously want to go down that route here's a harsh reality check which you're not going to like. Here are official numbers from the FBI from 2018, only concerning white and black victims and white and black murderers: 3114 murders of either black or white (but mostly black) victims by black perpetrators 2911 murders of either black or white (but mostly white) victims by white perpetrators These are official numbers from the FBI [1]. But then in 2018 black people only made about 13% of the US population while non-latino whites made about 61% of the population. Invoke socio-economic status / class warfare or whatever you want to explain why black people are 5x more likely to commit murder but the official numbers are there and hard to dispute. FWIW my family is white, black and yellow so you can safely send your "racist" card to /dev/null. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-...