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Just to state the obvious as it seems it’s necessary Islam is 1400 years old. Despite what the Saudi would like you to believe, there is no such thing as a one

Just to state the obvious as it seems it’s necessary Islam is 1400 years old. Despite what the Saudi would like you to believe, there is no such thing as a one and only heterodoxy that everyone agrees about and people have widely different relationship with the faith.

mjfl 2y ago
but all Muslims have the concept of the Ummah, the collective group of all Muslims, and it seems unlikely to me that any Muslim would approve of the dehumanization of Muslims as the OP had done. In fact it was the OP that projected an assumed belief onto all of the Palestinians. He seems more like yet another Israeli posting on the internet pretending to be a Muslim.
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago
  Implying that the way Palestinian authorities use Sharia to persecute some minorities is not a dehumanisation of a group. That’s the truth. That’s not approving what Israel is doing either. Please don’t deform what’s being say to suit your agenda. It doesn’t help your argument.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  HN is not the place to be making weird assumptions and accusations of bad faith. See the site guidelines.
  - mjfl 2y ago
    HN, increasingly, seems like a space where free discourse is not allowed.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  First, "Muslim" is a very broad category. For some it's a pious belief, for others less so, for others a cultural marker and nothing more. I don't see much value in the commenter's rant about "pro-Palestinianism" either (as it basically seems to be crude smear against this group for exactly the reasons you state), but ironically, it seems that you're guilty of projecting assumed beliefs here also, to some degree. For another, if the commenter is trolling about their Muslim identity, then it would appear to be a highly cultivated effort, not limited to this post -- see e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41028368 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41028368 -- so Occam's Razor suggests that they most likely are not. Make of that what you will. I personally don't care about anyone's identity, religion or lack thereof. In any case, the commenter is definitely riffing on a basically pretty lame stereotype about Palestinians, and seems highly indifferent to their plight as a group (on top peddling another stereotype that seems to consider all those who have strong concerns about the issue as being "woke"), so whatever motivations they may have for cultivating this nonsense are immaterial, in my book.

mjfl 2y ago

but all Muslims have the concept of the Ummah, the collective group of all Muslims, and it seems unlikely to me that any Muslim would approve of the dehumanization of Muslims as the OP had done. In fact it was the OP that projected an assumed belief onto all of the Palestinians. He seems more like yet another Israeli posting on the internet pretending to be a Muslim.

RandomThoughts3 2y ago
Implying that the way Palestinian authorities use Sharia to persecute some minorities is not a dehumanisation of a group. That’s the truth. That’s not approving what Israel is doing either. Please don’t deform what’s being say to suit your agenda. It doesn’t help your argument.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
HN is not the place to be making weird assumptions and accusations of bad faith. See the site guidelines.
- mjfl 2y ago
  HN, increasingly, seems like a space where free discourse is not allowed.
aguaviva 2y ago
First, "Muslim" is a very broad category. For some it's a pious belief, for others less so, for others a cultural marker and nothing more. I don't see much value in the commenter's rant about "pro-Palestinianism" either (as it basically seems to be crude smear against this group for exactly the reasons you state), but ironically, it seems that you're guilty of projecting assumed beliefs here also, to some degree. For another, if the commenter is trolling about their Muslim identity, then it would appear to be a highly cultivated effort, not limited to this post -- see e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41028368 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41028368 -- so Occam's Razor suggests that they most likely are not. Make of that what you will. I personally don't care about anyone's identity, religion or lack thereof. In any case, the commenter is definitely riffing on a basically pretty lame stereotype about Palestinians, and seems highly indifferent to their plight as a group (on top peddling another stereotype that seems to consider all those who have strong concerns about the issue as being "woke"), so whatever motivations they may have for cultivating this nonsense are immaterial, in my book.