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This mostly. A handful of very specific liberal and coastal areas drive this narrative... which guess where most media is generated? You really only need to go

This mostly. A handful of very specific liberal and coastal areas drive this narrative... which guess where most media is generated? You really only need to go about 30-40min inland from some of these places to see how normal/centrist most places are.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
And the 'Right'. I don't think I had ever heard of woke before the non-stop talking points from the 'Right'. It always seemed like a drummed up issue to rile up their, Christian/Holocaust Denier/Civil War Loving, base.
- voidfunc 2y ago
  Yea definitely a little bit of that from a labeling and demonizing perspective. I rarely hear moderate or more traditionally Republican/Conservative types rant about wokeness. It's the ones doused in right-wing propaganda. I'm generally of the opinion most people are decent. We might have differences on things but most people can compromise and find a middle position. Our media and politicians thrive on polarization tho and it's utterly killing our ability to function as a democracy.
  - linotype 2y ago
    How many traditional Conservatives in the US remain? Maybe 10-20%?
    - ta1243 2y ago
      This is an increasing problem throughout the west. I was listening to a UK ex-politician (Phillip Hammond), who was the Chancellor and Foreign Secretary in the past. His view, which I broadly agree with, is that the membership of a party (Tory, Labour, etc) are further from the mainstream "centre ground" than the general population, and that's a bad thing. His solution was the leadership of the party should come from the elected representatives (the MPs) and not the 100,000 "enthusiastic" members -- in the past the parties (Tory and Labour specifically) had massive membership, but now it's just a small number. It's relatively easy for a specific group to actually take over a party. However I don't think that the small number of votes is the only problem -- the US doesn't have that problem for example, are driven by the views of millions and still come out with the less centrist options
- briandear 2y ago
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  - arp242 2y ago
    How can you (rightfully) critique someone for painting with far too broad of a brush, and then in the very next sentence paint with a much broader brush yourself by claiming "most on the left have a strong support of Hamas"?
  - RandomThoughts3 2y ago
    > And Hamas literally supports Nazis. This is so stupid. As a kind reminder, the Lehi itself tried to ally with the Nazis in 1940 to fight the British. Would you write that Israel supports Nazism because Shamir was president?
  - biorach 2y ago
    > most on the left have a strong support of Hamas "most" is a vast exaggeration. support of a two-state solution is not "support for Hamas" having concerns about the massive civilian casualties in Gaza is not "support for Hamas"
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    The 'Right' far outweigh the 'Left' on Holocaust Denial. https://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/ https://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/ https://forward.com/opinion/652032/jd-vance-tucker-carlson-donald-trump-jewish-republican-holocaust-denial/ https://forward.com/opinion/652032/jd-vance-tucker-carlson-d... https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/02/texas-gop-antisemitism-resolution/ https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/02/texas-gop-antisemiti... "Two months after a prominent conservative activist and fundraiser was caught hosting white supremacist Nick Fuentes, leaders of the Republican Party of Texas have voted against barring the party from associating with known Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers." https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/republican-reaction-trump-fuentes-analysis/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/republican-reaction-... https://jewishinsider.com/2024/09/tucker-carlson-darryl-cooper-holocaust-revisionist-republicans-trump/ https://jewishinsider.com/2024/09/tucker-carlson-darryl-coop... https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-popular-front-white-nationalism/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-popular-front... To build their popular front on the right, Republicans are happy to recruit white nationalists. "concept of a “right-wing popular front” is extremely clarifying. We can see how this popular front functioned in popularizing Holocaust denial. This subject is described in a superbly researched article, “The Pre-History of American Holocaust Denial,” by John P. Jackson Jr., which appeared in American Jewish History in 2021. "
- Izkata 2y ago
  In the late 2000s/early 2010s, the left came up with "social justice warrior", and by 2015 it got turned into an insult by just about everyone online who knew the term (non-extreme-left, middle, and right). Shortly afterwards the left adopted "woke" to replace it, and even quicker than before everyone else turned it into an insult as well. DEI was, sort of, supposed to be the third replacement, and it's taken longer for this one to turn negative but it's well on its way now.
balls187 2y ago
I live in a liberal coastal area, and I can assure you it’s not woke. There are/were attempts, such as thanking the Indians who lands we stole before every Kraken game.
A_D_E_P_T 2y ago
It's not even "places" -- not any more. It's driven by the extremely online. Twitter, in particular, is a bazaar of echo-chambers, and most of them push their own political and social agendas. (Left and right, the mechanism is the same.) People get caught up in it, and then think that those opinions are normal. There is no "normative" frame of reference. This has, of course, infected politics itself over the past 10 years.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago

And the 'Right'. I don't think I had ever heard of woke before the non-stop talking points from the 'Right'. It always seemed like a drummed up issue to rile up their, Christian/Holocaust Denier/Civil War Loving, base.

voidfunc 2y ago
Yea definitely a little bit of that from a labeling and demonizing perspective. I rarely hear moderate or more traditionally Republican/Conservative types rant about wokeness. It's the ones doused in right-wing propaganda. I'm generally of the opinion most people are decent. We might have differences on things but most people can compromise and find a middle position. Our media and politicians thrive on polarization tho and it's utterly killing our ability to function as a democracy.
- linotype 2y ago
  How many traditional Conservatives in the US remain? Maybe 10-20%?
  - ta1243 2y ago
    This is an increasing problem throughout the west. I was listening to a UK ex-politician (Phillip Hammond), who was the Chancellor and Foreign Secretary in the past. His view, which I broadly agree with, is that the membership of a party (Tory, Labour, etc) are further from the mainstream "centre ground" than the general population, and that's a bad thing. His solution was the leadership of the party should come from the elected representatives (the MPs) and not the 100,000 "enthusiastic" members -- in the past the parties (Tory and Labour specifically) had massive membership, but now it's just a small number. It's relatively easy for a specific group to actually take over a party. However I don't think that the small number of votes is the only problem -- the US doesn't have that problem for example, are driven by the views of millions and still come out with the less centrist options
briandear 2y ago
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- arp242 2y ago
  How can you (rightfully) critique someone for painting with far too broad of a brush, and then in the very next sentence paint with a much broader brush yourself by claiming "most on the left have a strong support of Hamas"?
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago
  > And Hamas literally supports Nazis. This is so stupid. As a kind reminder, the Lehi itself tried to ally with the Nazis in 1940 to fight the British. Would you write that Israel supports Nazism because Shamir was president?
- biorach 2y ago
  > most on the left have a strong support of Hamas "most" is a vast exaggeration. support of a two-state solution is not "support for Hamas" having concerns about the massive civilian casualties in Gaza is not "support for Hamas"
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  The 'Right' far outweigh the 'Left' on Holocaust Denial. https://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/ https://www.claimscon.org/millennial-study/ https://forward.com/opinion/652032/jd-vance-tucker-carlson-donald-trump-jewish-republican-holocaust-denial/ https://forward.com/opinion/652032/jd-vance-tucker-carlson-d... https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/02/texas-gop-antisemitism-resolution/ https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/02/texas-gop-antisemiti... "Two months after a prominent conservative activist and fundraiser was caught hosting white supremacist Nick Fuentes, leaders of the Republican Party of Texas have voted against barring the party from associating with known Nazi sympathizers and Holocaust deniers." https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/republican-reaction-trump-fuentes-analysis/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/republican-reaction-... https://jewishinsider.com/2024/09/tucker-carlson-darryl-cooper-holocaust-revisionist-republicans-trump/ https://jewishinsider.com/2024/09/tucker-carlson-darryl-coop... https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-popular-front-white-nationalism/ https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-popular-front... To build their popular front on the right, Republicans are happy to recruit white nationalists. "concept of a “right-wing popular front” is extremely clarifying. We can see how this popular front functioned in popularizing Holocaust denial. This subject is described in a superbly researched article, “The Pre-History of American Holocaust Denial,” by John P. Jackson Jr., which appeared in American Jewish History in 2021. "
Izkata 2y ago
In the late 2000s/early 2010s, the left came up with "social justice warrior", and by 2015 it got turned into an insult by just about everyone online who knew the term (non-extreme-left, middle, and right). Shortly afterwards the left adopted "woke" to replace it, and even quicker than before everyone else turned it into an insult as well. DEI was, sort of, supposed to be the third replacement, and it's taken longer for this one to turn negative but it's well on its way now.

balls187 2y ago

I live in a liberal coastal area, and I can assure you it’s not woke. There are/were attempts, such as thanking the Indians who lands we stole before every Kraken game.

A_D_E_P_T 2y ago

It's not even "places" -- not any more. It's driven by the extremely online. Twitter, in particular, is a bazaar of echo-chambers, and most of them push their own political and social agendas. (Left and right, the mechanism is the same.) People get caught up in it, and then think that those opinions are normal. There is no "normative" frame of reference. This has, of course, infected politics itself over the past 10 years.