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The Pi 5 support is surprising, or rather that it's only landing now.

master_crab 2y ago
If I went and checked commits, I’m sure there are a lot of business critical IOT/controller type processes that now rely on Raspberry and therefore engineers backing support out the gate
- hamandcheese 2y ago
  But it's not out of the gate, it's been almost a year.
  - master_crab 2y ago
    All relative I guess. “Out the gate” for fairly conservative industrial controllers can probably be measured in months to years. You never catch them using anything near latest in an application.
haukem 2y ago
The Raspberry Pi Foundation does not do a good upstream support. It is not very bad, but also not good. They should start adding support for their new chips in the upstream projects before they get into the market, like Intel does it for example. They could add support for some new IP cores, without reveling when and how it will be used later. When the product comes out the only add small patches linking the code together like device tree files. It would also be good if they would release all the closed source firmware files needed for their devices under a redistributable license in the linux-firmware repository. For some time it was not allowed to redistribute the binary wifi firmware needed for the Raspberry Pi devices. This is needed for Linux distributions to package the binaries. I hope they do this only because of lack of resources and not intentionally to lock people into their Linux distribution.
- mshook 2y ago
  As far as I know (source, I still patch the LTS kernels), the fan control of the POE hat for the Pi 4 hasn't been merged yet. This thing was announced on May 2021... So not so good is really an understatement. https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/announcing-the-raspberry-pi-poe-hat/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/announcing-the-raspberry-pi...
- jakjak123 2y ago
  Its not awful, but its not good either. Pi4 has been a looooong slog, but they also use components that cant be released under GPL license, so there is not much they could upstream for those components
- rbanffy 2y ago
  > They should start adding support for their new chips in the upstream projects before they get into the market, like Intel does it for example This is even savvy marketing - it always creates some buzz around features of future chips.
seba_dos1 2y ago
Virtually nobody uses mainline Linux on Raspberry Pis, so not sure why would it be so surprising.

If I went and checked commits, I’m sure there are a lot of business critical IOT/controller type processes that now rely on Raspberry and therefore engineers backing support out the gate

hamandcheese 2y ago
But it's not out of the gate, it's been almost a year.
- master_crab 2y ago
  All relative I guess. “Out the gate” for fairly conservative industrial controllers can probably be measured in months to years. You never catch them using anything near latest in an application.

haukem 2y ago

The Raspberry Pi Foundation does not do a good upstream support. It is not very bad, but also not good. They should start adding support for their new chips in the upstream projects before they get into the market, like Intel does it for example. They could add support for some new IP cores, without reveling when and how it will be used later. When the product comes out the only add small patches linking the code together like device tree files. It would also be good if they would release all the closed source firmware files needed for their devices under a redistributable license in the linux-firmware repository. For some time it was not allowed to redistribute the binary wifi firmware needed for the Raspberry Pi devices. This is needed for Linux distributions to package the binaries. I hope they do this only because of lack of resources and not intentionally to lock people into their Linux distribution.

mshook 2y ago
As far as I know (source, I still patch the LTS kernels), the fan control of the POE hat for the Pi 4 hasn't been merged yet. This thing was announced on May 2021... So not so good is really an understatement. https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/announcing-the-raspberry-pi-poe-hat/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/announcing-the-raspberry-pi...
jakjak123 2y ago
Its not awful, but its not good either. Pi4 has been a looooong slog, but they also use components that cant be released under GPL license, so there is not much they could upstream for those components
rbanffy 2y ago
> They should start adding support for their new chips in the upstream projects before they get into the market, like Intel does it for example This is even savvy marketing - it always creates some buzz around features of future chips.

seba_dos1 2y ago

Virtually nobody uses mainline Linux on Raspberry Pis, so not sure why would it be so surprising.