> you're also part of the "I'm going to call anything I don't like 'violence'" crowd. Every law is a control program for violence - this is what laws are for.

> you're also part of the "I'm going to call anything I don't like 'violence'" crowd. Every law is a control program for violence - this is what laws are for. While I agree that "no laws" don't work, I am part of the "violence should be used with utter care" and "violence is the utter last resort" crowds. :-)