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You are getting downvoted, but you're absolutely correct. This is the usual disposition of Unix devs in general I've found. People forever stuck in the mentalit

by Asooka 2y ago

You are getting downvoted, but you're absolutely correct. This is the usual disposition of Unix devs in general I've found. People forever stuck in the mentality that the computer is a personal toy, only for running your code and OS code, who refuse to grow up and accept responsibility for maintaining software useful in the real world. When you point it out they just act like piss-babies, cry and shout until they get their way. We put up with using code that is, as their license reminds us, "without [...] FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE", simply because the amount of basic operating system services we'd have to rewrite to get rid of them is an extremely daunting task. Hopefully the Rust project can spur some development into replacing GNU and other similar shit, so we can be rid of the drooling retards for good.

quotemstr 2y ago
Rust is a young ecosystem. Give it time. It'll ossify too, just like every other previous software ecosystem. We make progress only through continual cycles of replacement and renewal, usually by fresh eyes and fresh hands each cycle. It's always been this way and always will be. One day, Rust will be the difficult to replace ancestral crud.
secondcoming 2y ago
Have you tried to address any of these issues yourself, or are you just going to wait for someone else to do it?
ChoHag 2y ago
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anthk 2y ago
Rust is no magic. A bug in the runtime = the whole castle rumbles down. And GNU is no Unix. You are very confused about what GNU is. Is not Linux, Linux it's a transitional kernel. Hurd, to begin width, has modular drivers able to be run in userspace and it has namespaces (a la plan9) making it potentially far more secure and not needing neither SUID or group perms to achieve mundane tasks such as mounting a volume. GNU was born to provide the ITS freedoms such as Emacs and Lisp on top of a more secure kernel based on Unix to solve random memory access violations potentially made from concurrent users running Lisp interpreters. ITS was like that, every user could capture and debug every other one's processes, even the system ones. But the 80's had a different mindset, and Unix ruled the academia and military. GNU was made to give more power to the user, it has both a microkernel design and daemons/namespaces to be able to do more stuff by themselves without misconfiguring the system. Linux was just a good enough kernel to put GNU in the 90's as Hurd wasn't (and still isn't albeit today it's a bit more usable) near complete. So, they began to promote GNU/Linux until GNU/Hurd got finished.
- kazinator 2y ago
  There's nothing in it for GNU, I'm giving it all to Liiinux. Apologies to Billy Joel.

by Asooka 2y ago

quotemstr 2y ago

Rust is a young ecosystem. Give it time. It'll ossify too, just like every other previous software ecosystem. We make progress only through continual cycles of replacement and renewal, usually by fresh eyes and fresh hands each cycle. It's always been this way and always will be. One day, Rust will be the difficult to replace ancestral crud.

secondcoming 2y ago

Have you tried to address any of these issues yourself, or are you just going to wait for someone else to do it?

ChoHag 2y ago

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anthk 2y ago

Rust is no magic. A bug in the runtime = the whole castle rumbles down. And GNU is no Unix. You are very confused about what GNU is. Is not Linux, Linux it's a transitional kernel. Hurd, to begin width, has modular drivers able to be run in userspace and it has namespaces (a la plan9) making it potentially far more secure and not needing neither SUID or group perms to achieve mundane tasks such as mounting a volume. GNU was born to provide the ITS freedoms such as Emacs and Lisp on top of a more secure kernel based on Unix to solve random memory access violations potentially made from concurrent users running Lisp interpreters. ITS was like that, every user could capture and debug every other one's processes, even the system ones. But the 80's had a different mindset, and Unix ruled the academia and military. GNU was made to give more power to the user, it has both a microkernel design and daemons/namespaces to be able to do more stuff by themselves without misconfiguring the system. Linux was just a good enough kernel to put GNU in the 90's as Hurd wasn't (and still isn't albeit today it's a bit more usable) near complete. So, they began to promote GNU/Linux until GNU/Hurd got finished.

kazinator 2y ago
There's nothing in it for GNU, I'm giving it all to Liiinux. Apologies to Billy Joel.