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Game downloads can be tens of GiB per day, and are only growing. Multiple 4K streams can add up. I wouldn't be surprised if folks are saturating links during pr

Game downloads can be tens of GiB per day, and are only growing. Multiple 4K streams can add up. I wouldn't be surprised if folks are saturating links during prime time hours.

qmarchi 2y ago
As is the risk of over subscription. However, most game services tend to schedule their downloads in the middle of the night, and video stream is very "bursty", and downloads chunks of data every few seconds. Also, with people/services moving to AV1 encoding, we're already seeing improvements in efficiencies in regards to bandwidth. Disclaimer: Former YouTube Serving Engineer
- Fabricio20 2y ago
  > However, most game services tend to schedule their downloads in the middle of the night Except that usually doesn't matter because almost all game updates are released slight before prime time (or on prime time) so players can enjoy it when they get home! (I guess this only applies to multiplayer games, but that's a MAJOR part of the industry nowadays).
  - martin_bech 2y ago
    I would guess about 10% of an ISPs customers are gamers. Maybe lower. Again game updates are not that big, compared to your connection, so most of the day your connection is idle
HumblyTossed 2y ago
Do most people game? Or actually stream 4K?
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  If you look at households, I'd say a significant minority do both.
martin_bech 2y ago
Yeah.. they are not.. even tens of GiB per day is not a lot compared to your connections 1000gb/s. Netflix 4k stream is not the norm, and still only about 20mb/s so you would need to be running 50 4k streams, and even then, chances are you neighbours out of the house, or flipping instagram, so the bandwith is available.. Btw netflix did colocate with isps at one point, they might still do.
jsnell 2y ago
> Multiple 4K streams can add up. Not really at these scales. Back of the envelope calculation: A Netflix 4k video stream is 15 Mbps. The article states the most common Swiss deployment is 10Gbps shared between 32 customers. 10Gbps is about 600 of those Netflix 4k streams, 20x more than the number of customers sharing that bandwidth.

Game downloads can be tens of GiB per day, and are only growing. Multiple 4K streams can add up. I wouldn't be surprised if folks are saturating links during prime time hours.

qmarchi 2y ago

As is the risk of over subscription. However, most game services tend to schedule their downloads in the middle of the night, and video stream is very "bursty", and downloads chunks of data every few seconds. Also, with people/services moving to AV1 encoding, we're already seeing improvements in efficiencies in regards to bandwidth. Disclaimer: Former YouTube Serving Engineer

Fabricio20 2y ago
> However, most game services tend to schedule their downloads in the middle of the night Except that usually doesn't matter because almost all game updates are released slight before prime time (or on prime time) so players can enjoy it when they get home! (I guess this only applies to multiplayer games, but that's a MAJOR part of the industry nowadays).
- martin_bech 2y ago
  I would guess about 10% of an ISPs customers are gamers. Maybe lower. Again game updates are not that big, compared to your connection, so most of the day your connection is idle

HumblyTossed 2y ago

Do most people game? Or actually stream 4K?

paulryanrogers 2y ago
If you look at households, I'd say a significant minority do both.

martin_bech 2y ago

Yeah.. they are not.. even tens of GiB per day is not a lot compared to your connections 1000gb/s. Netflix 4k stream is not the norm, and still only about 20mb/s so you would need to be running 50 4k streams, and even then, chances are you neighbours out of the house, or flipping instagram, so the bandwith is available.. Btw netflix did colocate with isps at one point, they might still do.

jsnell 2y ago

> Multiple 4K streams can add up. Not really at these scales. Back of the envelope calculation: A Netflix 4k video stream is 15 Mbps. The article states the most common Swiss deployment is 10Gbps shared between 32 customers. 10Gbps is about 600 of those Netflix 4k streams, 20x more than the number of customers sharing that bandwidth.