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As an American, I can't help but feel like they just shrug off all these cases and do the minimum required by the EU, kinda sorta, while still screwing over the
by solardev 2y ago
As an American, I can't help but feel like they just shrug off all these cases and do the minimum required by the EU, kinda sorta, while still screwing over the rest of the world (like with the app store and browser renderer). Wish the US had real consumer protections like Europe did.
- mdhb 2y agoI don’t disagree with you there. The corporation / consumer power balance in the US is one of the worst things about the country in my opinion.
- imiric 2y agoAnd yet whenever the EU is brought up around here its "draconian" regulations are blamed for stagnating tech innovation. At least there are governments that try to protect their citizens from the habitual privacy and rights violations by Big Tech.
- throwawaysleep 2y agoAs long as those countries are willing to accept increasingly diverging standard of living in exchange for endless privacy popups.
- k8sToGo 2y agoMultiple things can be true at the same time.
- the_gorilla 2y agoCan you just communicate like a normal person instead of a redditer trying to win an argument? There's a growing body of snarky responses that are not literally denigrating, but tacitly assume you're such an idiot that you have to be reminded of things like "objects exist after they leave your sight". It wears me down. I'm tired of it.
- jamil7 2y agoI can’t stand this either, also “source?” thrown into the middle of discussions for information that’s broadly known or available within the context of what’s being discussed. This often just demonstrates the person arguing with you isn’t well read on the topic.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago"Broadly known" information in such discussions is typically just everyone sharing the same hearsays they picked up over the years, without ever verifying any one of it themselves. If one finds a request for source annoying, it suggests the claim is actually one of those - broadly-known true and accurate information has plenty of definitive sources to back it up. There's lots of dumb things "people in general" believe. The infamous list on Wikipedia[0] is just the tip of an iceberg. Everyone is vulnerable to this; if you aren't occasionally discovering and correcting such dumb "broadly known" things in your own beliefs, you aren't paying attention. -- [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions
- jamil7 2y agoI mostly agree with your comment so I don't think we're talking about the same thing exactly. I'm refering to true and accurate information that should be the baseline requirement for entering a discussion or argument being requested and find that annoying.
- IntelMiner 2y agoI made a remark over on Reddit some time ago about how I'd prefer to live in the EU because I'd prefer the quality of life there over a bigger number on my paycheck (that mostly goes to rent anyway) People were borderline out for blood on such a defiant worldview
- Hamuko 2y agoHow much of your net pay do you even need to spend on rent?
- indrora 2y agoI can't answer for them but when I was first starting out, roughly 50% of my paycheck was rent and utilities.
- wiseowise 2y ago> that mostly goes to rent anyway Depending on where you’d end up - you’ll feel right at home.
- fxtentacle 2y agoYeah, people go ballistic when I mention costs from rural northern Germany. Average software developer salary is 5000€ net per month. Renting a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house is about 1000€ per month. If both adults work, that means the family home is about 10% of the income. 20 minutes by car/bus to the next city center, though.
- greazy 2y agoBut what's the job market in rural Germany for programmer? If jobs are limited, then it feels a bit disingenuous to use this as an example. Please correct me.
- trilbyglens 2y agoRemote work?
- threeseed 2y agoIt is a fact that companies like Apple, Meta etc are not bringing AI technology to the EU specifically because the regulations are not clear of their obligations. And if they don't comply it is a ridiculous and unprecedented fine of 10% of global revenue.
- troupo 2y ago> specifically because the regulations are not clear of their obligations. "unclear obligations": - do not use people's data without their consent - disclose and document your training data Of course it's "unclear" to companies like Facebook who opted everyone on their platform in to training their AI models by default. Apple's "AI" is coming to all users everywhere eventually. As many of their products it's rolled out to US, English-speaking, rest of the world, in that order. And it won't even fully ship to the US until sometime next year. Their "boohoo EU" is marketing and PR bullshit aimed at gullible morons. > And if they don't comply it is a ridiculous and unprecedented fine of 10% of global revenue. It's a fine up to 10% of global revenue. And that number can only be reached when the company willingly and willfully continues to break the law
- threeseed 2y agoEven the pro-privacy groups disagree with you. The (AI) Act leaves too much to the discretion of the Commission, secondary legislation or voluntary codes of conduct https://ecnl.org/news/packed-loopholes-why-ai-act-fails-protect-civic-space-and-rule-law https://ecnl.org/news/packed-loopholes-why-ai-act-fails-prot... This is the problem with the DMA and AI acts. The specifics are not written into law. Everything is left up to the EU Commissioner to decide as each case presents itself. Which makes it impossible for companies to predict what their decisions will be. And why would they take the risk with such massive fines on the table. This kind of regulatory uncertainty is toxic to business. Also Apple didn't just not release Apple Intelligence in the EU. They've geo-blocked it so you specifically can't use it even in English. They would only do this for legal reasons.
- troupo 2y ago
- ekianjo 2y agoYeah making everyone waste time on every site with the cookies warnings is something we should all be grateful for the EU.
- eastbound 2y agoWhile the GDPR was le grand coup, it’s sad they can’t revert mistakes. Which begs the question: Why doesn’t every site put the EU flag as a background of the cookie banner, until the EU reckons?
- troupo 2y agoNothing in the law requires these obnoxious banners. It's the companies who decided that they want to sell your data to thousands of trackers. When will the industry reckon?
- trilbyglens 2y agoI wish there were browser apis for cookie prefs already. Just set it at the browser and all sites just use that setting. But of course Google can't do that since they want people to be bombarded by cookie banners and agitate for an end to GDPR
- exceptione 2y agoReckons what? No one forced site owners to suck out personal information from customers to sell them to the highest bidder. A normal, human respecting website doesn't even need a consent banner. People are normalizing egregious behavior.
- immibis 2y agoUntil the public demands the EU to revert the tracking cookie law because the public is stupid.
- bobim 2y agoThe dark patterns to make the rejection 5 clicks while acceptance is just 1 click are not the responsibility of EU.
- threeseed 2y ago> do the minimum required by the EU People have a misunderstanding of how these EU laws work. They are designed to be flexible with all of the specifics left up to lawmakers to interpret. Which is understandable when you're dealing with so many technical issues which can't be anticipated ahead of time. So there is no legal or technical definition of what is the "minimum required". There are high-level outcomes that require continuous negotiations to achieve. And you can have consumer protections like Australia, UK etc that consists more of specific regulations rather than what the EU has.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoUsb-c is on iphone thanks to the eu