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That's a bit of an indictment on how poorly projects are supported. If those sponsors feel like the eyeballs they get from supporting this project is worth it,

by Lerc 2y ago

That's a bit of an indictment on how poorly projects are supported. If those sponsors feel like the eyeballs they get from supporting this project is worth it, probably at least some of the owners of those eyeballs are getting enough value from the project to overbid. Is it an artifact of the Individual/Organisation split of OpenCollective? I see the top 10 individuals that have put in $1000 or more.

straight-shoota 2y ago
I'm a core developer of Crystal. All sponsorship contributions pay some development hours, so they're valuable to improve the project. Sponsors presentation is only based on their _current_ contribution, not the accumulated total.
- lolinder 2y ago
  How does the team feel about selling Google reviews and Instagram followers? How do 84codes and Manas.Tech feel about being placed alongside these sketchy sponsors? I get that money is hard to come by, but I hope you realize that you might be doing more than $1500/mo in damage to the project by accepting these ad placements.
  - beta-ziliani 2y ago
    This is a problem we have with the current page layout. We agree that these need to be clearly marked as ad, instead of legitimate sponsors. Quite frankly, this is something new to us (ads paying enough to be there), so we're still figuring out.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      But you don't see a problem with accepting an ad placement that is legally and morally dubious? The FTC is moving to ban these outright, and their justification is 100% valid: > Fake reviews not only waste people’s time and money, but also pollute the marketplace and divert business away from honest competitors. Labeled as an ad or not, you may well lose sponsors over this who don't want to be associated with that kind of behavior, and you're certainly losing potential users and contributors here on HN. My perspective on Crystal has changed from positive (I always love new programming languages) to negative over the course of this conversation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. This damage can't be measured as easily as money flowing in can, but it's very real and you shouldn't discount it. Some of us don't believe that receiving money for something is sufficient justification to do it. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/08/federal-trade-commission-announces-final-rule-banning-fake-reviews-testimonials https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/08/...

by Lerc 2y ago

straight-shoota 2y ago

I'm a core developer of Crystal. All sponsorship contributions pay some development hours, so they're valuable to improve the project. Sponsors presentation is only based on their _current_ contribution, not the accumulated total.

lolinder 2y ago
How does the team feel about selling Google reviews and Instagram followers? How do 84codes and Manas.Tech feel about being placed alongside these sketchy sponsors? I get that money is hard to come by, but I hope you realize that you might be doing more than $1500/mo in damage to the project by accepting these ad placements.
- beta-ziliani 2y ago
  This is a problem we have with the current page layout. We agree that these need to be clearly marked as ad, instead of legitimate sponsors. Quite frankly, this is something new to us (ads paying enough to be there), so we're still figuring out.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    But you don't see a problem with accepting an ad placement that is legally and morally dubious? The FTC is moving to ban these outright, and their justification is 100% valid: > Fake reviews not only waste people’s time and money, but also pollute the marketplace and divert business away from honest competitors. Labeled as an ad or not, you may well lose sponsors over this who don't want to be associated with that kind of behavior, and you're certainly losing potential users and contributors here on HN. My perspective on Crystal has changed from positive (I always love new programming languages) to negative over the course of this conversation, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. This damage can't be measured as easily as money flowing in can, but it's very real and you shouldn't discount it. Some of us don't believe that receiving money for something is sufficient justification to do it. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/08/federal-trade-commission-announces-final-rule-banning-fake-reviews-testimonials https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/08/...