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Would you volunteer to appear in these photos, for this story? Would you pose for the Wall Street Journal in your socks? I would be mortified to be featured in

Would you volunteer to appear in these photos, for this story? Would you pose for the Wall Street Journal in your socks? I would be mortified to be featured in a piece like this. I wouldn't pick up the phone. Who wants to be the subject of, basically, "take a look at these losers?' How did this happen? Were they tricked?

underseacables 2y ago
I don't think there was any trickery or anything. I kept getting this nagging feeling as I read the article that the kids are a little spoiled. The parents appear to be wealthy, and the kids appear to be comfortable, albeit miserable. My impression is that they have not been really pushed, and maybe still are a bit immature and perhaps coddled. In my humble opinion, I think a lot of the younger generation is waiting for someone to give them something. To give them a job, give them money, and lost the drive and ambition to go out and seize it for themselves.
antisthenes 2y ago
Who cares? And what's the point of bikeshedding around the real issue?
- altogethernow23 2y ago
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  - antisthenes 2y ago
    Statistics confirm the structural issue in the article. So either you're delusional or pushing a narrative to alter my perception of reality. Which one is it?
    - altogethernow23 2y ago
      Which statistics? You’ve literally cited none. Statistically speaking, let’s look at the data: - salary wise, men are still paid more in every profession (even those that are considered “traditionally female”). - Men hold 92% of CEO positions - Men hold 70% of executive positions. - Men make up 70% of Congress. - 80+% or so of engineers are male. - Men make median 67k a year and woman make 53k. So, when you look at actual, real data, men are doing fine (and good! It’s good for everyone when good men do well). The only truly alarming issue, from a data standpoint, is the number of men who somehow believe things are worse for them, and the resentful feelings that belief (however unsupported by the facts) brings. I wonder where that comes from and who is benefiting from making people feel that way? Could it because of hackneyed journalism like this article? Online influencers? Politicians who want to earn votes through fear-mongering and divisiveness? These feelings and ideas aren’t good for society. You’re doing well and you should feel good about it. If you’re not, it’s not because of your gender and it doesn’t help anyone to lay the problem there. It’s not productive.
      - antisthenes 2y ago
        The fact that you're still citing a wage gap that has been debunked for over a decade means you're not equipped to have this conversation. Among using CEOs and Congress as an example, which is the top 0.001% of men. For every statistic you cited, you can find one that shows that a vastly higher number of men in the lower quartile are doing both worse than their counterparts in other developed countries and worse than women as well.
        altogethernow23 2y ago
        I’m not citing a wage gap. I’m just citing the numbers from the department of labor. They’re just numbers and you can’t debunk numbers. Can you please cite… anything… to support your argument that “men” as a group are somehow in crisis? Because, as a statistical group, strictly based on gender and solely based on numbers, “men” seem to be doing fine.

underseacables 2y ago

I don't think there was any trickery or anything. I kept getting this nagging feeling as I read the article that the kids are a little spoiled. The parents appear to be wealthy, and the kids appear to be comfortable, albeit miserable. My impression is that they have not been really pushed, and maybe still are a bit immature and perhaps coddled. In my humble opinion, I think a lot of the younger generation is waiting for someone to give them something. To give them a job, give them money, and lost the drive and ambition to go out and seize it for themselves.

antisthenes 2y ago

Who cares? And what's the point of bikeshedding around the real issue?

altogethernow23 2y ago
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- antisthenes 2y ago
  Statistics confirm the structural issue in the article. So either you're delusional or pushing a narrative to alter my perception of reality. Which one is it?
  - altogethernow23 2y ago
    Which statistics? You’ve literally cited none. Statistically speaking, let’s look at the data: - salary wise, men are still paid more in every profession (even those that are considered “traditionally female”). - Men hold 92% of CEO positions - Men hold 70% of executive positions. - Men make up 70% of Congress. - 80+% or so of engineers are male. - Men make median 67k a year and woman make 53k. So, when you look at actual, real data, men are doing fine (and good! It’s good for everyone when good men do well). The only truly alarming issue, from a data standpoint, is the number of men who somehow believe things are worse for them, and the resentful feelings that belief (however unsupported by the facts) brings. I wonder where that comes from and who is benefiting from making people feel that way? Could it because of hackneyed journalism like this article? Online influencers? Politicians who want to earn votes through fear-mongering and divisiveness? These feelings and ideas aren’t good for society. You’re doing well and you should feel good about it. If you’re not, it’s not because of your gender and it doesn’t help anyone to lay the problem there. It’s not productive.
    - antisthenes 2y ago
      The fact that you're still citing a wage gap that has been debunked for over a decade means you're not equipped to have this conversation. Among using CEOs and Congress as an example, which is the top 0.001% of men. For every statistic you cited, you can find one that shows that a vastly higher number of men in the lower quartile are doing both worse than their counterparts in other developed countries and worse than women as well.
      - altogethernow23 2y ago
        I’m not citing a wage gap. I’m just citing the numbers from the department of labor. They’re just numbers and you can’t debunk numbers. Can you please cite… anything… to support your argument that “men” as a group are somehow in crisis? Because, as a statistical group, strictly based on gender and solely based on numbers, “men” seem to be doing fine.