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Also did FRC in HS. It's much more complicated than that. The high achieving boys did FRC and were wildly over-represented, but for every one of them there we

Also did FRC in HS. It's much more complicated than that. The high achieving boys did FRC and were wildly over-represented, but for every one of them there were five or six boys who just kind of...existed. We have a real problem here but nobody wants to acknowledge it because the optics given the past couple decades of social progress are uncomfortable. There's nothing wrong with wanting to provide opportunities specifically for under performing young men even if it feels icky. We just need to be intelligent about it.

talldayo 2y ago
So... do we train them to work factory jobs in Mexico? I just don't understand what an equitable solution looks like, if you perceive this as a specifically-male epidemic. It seems infinitely more likely to me that people are self-selecting for what they are capable of, or hindered by things like a rough family life or low-paying service job. You're not going to create special opportunities for these people that aren't grossly unfair or outright unhelpful. I agree that there is an intelligent solution here, but I don't understand why it necessitates scale-tipping because some men are less successful than others. There will always be a 75th percentile.
- AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
  It's a bit of a weird situation and there isn't an easy answer yet, but it's something that at a minimum bears garnering some research money. If the trend continues and it ends up that being a woman means you're significantly more likely to have career success across the bell curve then yeah, we'll probably need support programs for men just like we had for women in the decades prior. I have theories about the underlying issues though and I suspect you do too. It's less of an opportunity issue and more of a culture one. Women are being taught they need to fight and men are being taught they need to just exist. So they're doing just that.
  - altogethernow23 2y ago
    Given the salary disparity between men and women and the discrepancies between those of men and women holding positions of importance, I would say “just existing” is a perfectly way for guys to be. Not everyone can be the top and that’s totally fine. You can still do pretty nicely for yourself and your fam by “just existing.”

talldayo 2y ago

So... do we train them to work factory jobs in Mexico? I just don't understand what an equitable solution looks like, if you perceive this as a specifically-male epidemic. It seems infinitely more likely to me that people are self-selecting for what they are capable of, or hindered by things like a rough family life or low-paying service job. You're not going to create special opportunities for these people that aren't grossly unfair or outright unhelpful. I agree that there is an intelligent solution here, but I don't understand why it necessitates scale-tipping because some men are less successful than others. There will always be a 75th percentile.

AnarchismIsCool 2y ago
It's a bit of a weird situation and there isn't an easy answer yet, but it's something that at a minimum bears garnering some research money. If the trend continues and it ends up that being a woman means you're significantly more likely to have career success across the bell curve then yeah, we'll probably need support programs for men just like we had for women in the decades prior. I have theories about the underlying issues though and I suspect you do too. It's less of an opportunity issue and more of a culture one. Women are being taught they need to fight and men are being taught they need to just exist. So they're doing just that.
- altogethernow23 2y ago
  Given the salary disparity between men and women and the discrepancies between those of men and women holding positions of importance, I would say “just existing” is a perfectly way for guys to be. Not everyone can be the top and that’s totally fine. You can still do pretty nicely for yourself and your fam by “just existing.”