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No one says that whites were the victims of Mandela's ANC, why do you insist on justifying an occupying military that is enforcing an apartheid? Probably a few
by accountswu 14y ago
No one says that whites were the victims of Mandela's ANC, why do you insist on justifying an occupying military that is enforcing an apartheid?
Probably a few of the Egyptian military and police have been killed by protesters but I only mentioned the 1000+ civilians killed by the police and military, no one insisted that mention the dictator's side of the story, why do you say that I am giving a one-sided story of Israeli occupation?
As we are talking Israel has been bombing Gaza and killing children, women and men, I did not mention that either. Do you know that home-made Palestinian rockets have killed less than 50 people in decades? The number of Israeli civilians killed by rockets from 2001 to 2012 is 31 and Israel has killed more Palestinians in the last few weeks alone. Which side is the victim?
Do you know that Israeli attacks have killed far more people than Palestinian attacks no matter what time-frame you pick? The ratio is usually 4 to 10 times. I don't think killing 50 people with F-16s is any more noble than killing 10 people with a suicide jacket.
In the last major assault on Gaza in December 2008 Israel killed more than 1400 civilians (more than 700 women and children) and systematically destroyed mosques, UN hospitals, UN food depots, livestock and flour mills. 13 Israelis were killed during Gaza massacre of 2008, 10 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians. (If you are unaware of any of the above you should google up human rights organizations reports, Amnesty, HRW, Israel's own B'Tselem)
It has been called a massacre by human rights organizations, it was not a war; the Palestinians had no military, no F-16s, no white phosphorus that they rained down on Israeli schools, it was Israelis who did that.
Given that it was Israel which violated the ceasefire in November 2008 Which side am I supposed to criticize?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepale...
Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen
5 November 2008
Before that Israel killed more than 20k during Lebanon invasion in 1980s, killed more than 1300 Lebanese in 2006 (injured 400+). Before that Zionist militias killed thousands of Palestinian civilians and British civil servants in 1930s and 1940s, at what point were Israelis the victims in Palestine?
"It is necessarily at the expense of someone else. That someone happened to be the Palestinians."
If you are acknowledging the injustice then why do you insist that I am singling out by mentioning the injustice alone and not being sympathetic to the military occupier?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/quotes http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058946/quotes
Journalist: M. Ben M'Hidi, don't you think it's a bit cowardly to use women's baskets and handbags to carry explosive devices that kill so many innocent people?
Ben M'Hidi: And doesn't it seem to you even more cowardly to drop napalm bombs on defenseless villages, so that there are a thousand times more innocent victims? Of course, if we had your airplanes it would be a lot easier for us. Give us your bombers, and you can have our baskets.
- Peaker 14y ago> Do you know that home-made Palestinian rockets have killed less than 50 people in decades? Now this is an outright lie. Please try to remain honest in this debate, it is full of enough misinformation. The rockets are not home-made. They are Grad BM-21's, military-grade improvement of the Katyusha rocket. The reason they don't kill many Israelis is because Israel builds bomb shelters and every Israeli home has one. Israelis have an alarm system that lets people find shelter in time for the strike. Homes are destroyed by these grads. Even the "home-made" Qassams (which are actually made in specialized factories in Gaza, hard-to-say "home" made) carry more than 20 pounds of TNT. It's hard to take your argument seriously when you are repeating these propaganda talking points, and that's where I stopped reading.
- accountswu 14y ago>Now this is an outright lie. No Sir, you're BSing. I showed dozens of links that document the racism, apartheid and murder of "the other" that your state is carrying out and you seem to justify it. Show me how many people have been killed by Qassam or other rockets, show me a time period when Israel did not kill 4-10 times more people than killed by primitive rockets. > because Israel builds bomb shelters Israel refused to allow cement into Gaza for years even to build hospitals and schools that were destroyed in the 2008 massacre. Stop justifying the murder and terror that the Israeli regime is carrying out. Egyptian murders are bad, Israeli murderers have killed far more people than Egyptian tyrants. No one here justified Egyptian butchers, stop justifying Israeli terrorism. http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/01/us-palestinians-israel-gaza-blockade-idUSTRE6601UO20100701 http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/01/us-palestinians-is... Gaza gets chocolate but no cement as embargo eases http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/help-replace-welshingazas-camera-destroyed-by-the-israeli-navy.html http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/help-replace-welshingazas-came... Help replace @WelshinGaza’s camera destroyed by the Israeli navy "On Monday, we published a harrowing account from @WelshinGaza about their standoff with the Israeli navy off the coast of Gaza. During the encounter, Welsh's camera was destroyed by a stream of water the navy shot at the human rights observation boat Welsh was traveling on." http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=498678 http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=498678 Israel demolishes Bedouin village for 39th time <-- Al Araqib is a village which is inside the 1948 Israel boundary and its citizens are Israeli citizens but since they are not Jewish their houses are being demolished again and again so that other Jews can be brought in to settle in their place. The residents have deeds that predate the Zionist settler movement that accelerated in 1900s.