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> Is the situation normal, or common? They went up on an experimental spacecraft on its shakedown cruise. They’re coming down on a different spacecraft than pl

by addaon 2y ago

> Is the situation normal, or common? They went up on an experimental spacecraft on its shakedown cruise. They’re coming down on a different spacecraft than planned — a different make of spacecraft, even. That’s never happened before, and is neither normal nor common. The spacecraft type they flew up will almost certainly never fly again because of how badly the shakedown went. That’s never happened before to a manned design to my knowledge — certainly not normal or common.

eth0up 2y ago
Because I cannot upvote comments on HN, I'll clutter the thread by thanking both you and the other fellow who gave pretty good explanations.
- samatman 2y ago
  It appears you're referring to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30742539 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30742539 The most likely explanation of the effect you're observing is that the server, having done a database fetch to get you the profile once, is not interested in doing it over and over again. It's cached. You do not have a uniquely broken upvote button.
  - eth0up 2y ago
    No. Definitely no. I've tested this many times by up-voting predictably stable comments, noting the karma number before and hours later. No effect. No exceptions. Additionally, there was a time where this limitation didn't exist. I am pretty sure I triggered a flag for my tendency to up-vote controversial and underdog content. I don't think dang is right about everything, but I get the impression that he's honest and expect he'd confirm this limitation on my username. Ask. But I'm not grovelling for equal rights on HN and will make no inquiries to insiders. Also, if your interpretation was correct, there's this really big parallel contrary reality where the upvote system works and entries are accepted and processed, hence the ever changing karma number of each active user. Perhaps it's the ad blocker, but it's not normal
    - samatman 2y ago
      As an experiment, I upvoted your comment. But first, I loaded your profile. Then I refreshed it several times. At no point did your karma score change on your profile. It's caching.
    - philipkglass 2y ago
      I don't think dang is right about everything, but I get the impression that he's honest and expect he'd confirm this limitation on my username. Ask. But I'm not grovelling for equal rights on HN and will make no inquiries to insiders. I once had this limitation on my own account. It was because I had upvoted certain grayed out comments that were flamewar fodder. I did that because there were equally bad counter-comments in the thread that weren't voted down (grayed), and out of a misguided commitment to balance I wanted to fight for the losing side. When I emailed dang to ask about my voting limitation he explained why my account had been penalized. I said I wouldn't vote up bad comments in the future and he restored my comment voting. Now when bad arguments attract bad counter-arguments I just downvote instead of trying to boost the somewhat-less-bad side. You don't have to send email about this if you don't want to, but it doesn't require groveling to fix.
      - eth0up 2y ago
        Thanks a bunch for this comment. It clarifies and it helps, especially with the samatman types obsessed with caches... and proving me wrong for reasons I'm quite content never knowing. I think some folks see the apparent simplicity of HN and assume it's primitive and clean, with nothing too sophisticated running in the background.
- EgregiousCube 2y ago
  Why can't you upvote comments on HN?
nick3443 2y ago
>>The spacecraft type they flew up will almost certainly never fly again because of how badly the shakedown went. I haven't seen this in the reporting. Can you share any context for it?
- addaon 2y ago
  There’s been a bit of reporting on Boeing “considering” whether to cancel the remains of this program. There’s been no reporting on any decision — likely because Boeing hasn’t made one. But there’s zero financial upside to continuing, and zero PR upside to continuing… and I just don’t see any world in which Boeing, in its current state, continues to spend billions of dollars of its own money to set up more and more elaborate shows of its own (well understood, internally) incompetence. So, complete speculation on my side, but I’m comfortable enough making that speculation without a throwaway account.

by addaon 2y ago

eth0up 2y ago

Because I cannot upvote comments on HN, I'll clutter the thread by thanking both you and the other fellow who gave pretty good explanations.

samatman 2y ago
It appears you're referring to this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30742539 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30742539 The most likely explanation of the effect you're observing is that the server, having done a database fetch to get you the profile once, is not interested in doing it over and over again. It's cached. You do not have a uniquely broken upvote button.
- eth0up 2y ago
  No. Definitely no. I've tested this many times by up-voting predictably stable comments, noting the karma number before and hours later. No effect. No exceptions. Additionally, there was a time where this limitation didn't exist. I am pretty sure I triggered a flag for my tendency to up-vote controversial and underdog content. I don't think dang is right about everything, but I get the impression that he's honest and expect he'd confirm this limitation on my username. Ask. But I'm not grovelling for equal rights on HN and will make no inquiries to insiders. Also, if your interpretation was correct, there's this really big parallel contrary reality where the upvote system works and entries are accepted and processed, hence the ever changing karma number of each active user. Perhaps it's the ad blocker, but it's not normal
  - samatman 2y ago
    As an experiment, I upvoted your comment. But first, I loaded your profile. Then I refreshed it several times. At no point did your karma score change on your profile. It's caching.
  - philipkglass 2y ago
    I don't think dang is right about everything, but I get the impression that he's honest and expect he'd confirm this limitation on my username. Ask. But I'm not grovelling for equal rights on HN and will make no inquiries to insiders. I once had this limitation on my own account. It was because I had upvoted certain grayed out comments that were flamewar fodder. I did that because there were equally bad counter-comments in the thread that weren't voted down (grayed), and out of a misguided commitment to balance I wanted to fight for the losing side. When I emailed dang to ask about my voting limitation he explained why my account had been penalized. I said I wouldn't vote up bad comments in the future and he restored my comment voting. Now when bad arguments attract bad counter-arguments I just downvote instead of trying to boost the somewhat-less-bad side. You don't have to send email about this if you don't want to, but it doesn't require groveling to fix.
    - eth0up 2y ago
      Thanks a bunch for this comment. It clarifies and it helps, especially with the samatman types obsessed with caches... and proving me wrong for reasons I'm quite content never knowing. I think some folks see the apparent simplicity of HN and assume it's primitive and clean, with nothing too sophisticated running in the background.
EgregiousCube 2y ago
Why can't you upvote comments on HN?

nick3443 2y ago

>>The spacecraft type they flew up will almost certainly never fly again because of how badly the shakedown went. I haven't seen this in the reporting. Can you share any context for it?

addaon 2y ago
There’s been a bit of reporting on Boeing “considering” whether to cancel the remains of this program. There’s been no reporting on any decision — likely because Boeing hasn’t made one. But there’s zero financial upside to continuing, and zero PR upside to continuing… and I just don’t see any world in which Boeing, in its current state, continues to spend billions of dollars of its own money to set up more and more elaborate shows of its own (well understood, internally) incompetence. So, complete speculation on my side, but I’m comfortable enough making that speculation without a throwaway account.