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Thanks for the Anytype rec. I have similarly been looking for a good alternative since they turned on AI features you can’t easily opt out of. And I’m not some

by dcre 2y ago

Thanks for the Anytype rec. I have similarly been looking for a good alternative since they turned on AI features you can’t easily opt out of. And I’m not some anti-LLM zealot — I use them every day. I’m not even worried about them training on user data. The more immediate problem is that if you accidentally type something in the Ask AI box (which is very easy to do because it looks like search), the page you’re on and god know what else is sent to god knows where. When I use LLMs, I like to know which one I’m using and exactly what I’m sending them. I felt their AI integration was very cavalier and it completely changed my opinion of them as a company. On top of that, the YouTube and Tik Tok productivity grifters thrive on the ecosystem of template BS that Notion seems very happy to encourage. I guess they can’t help it but it is not my vibe. I also want something more stripped down and programmable. Obviously a programmer is not a typical consumer.

jitl 2y ago
(I work at Notion but not on AI) We maintain a list of data su processors here: https://www.notion.so/notion/Notion-s-List-of-Subprocessors-268fa5bcfa0f46b6bc29436b21676734 https://www.notion.so/notion/Notion-s-List-of-Subprocessors-... It’s not as specific as citing the actual model version in use from each vendor, though.
- light_hue_1 2y ago
  That isn't reassuring at all. It's pretty much the worst case scenario. I don't want my private notes sent to places like openai who will use them to train models and who don't have any reasonable corporate governance. They have leaked customer data before. And I'm not anti AI. I'm an ML researcher who uses LLMs all the time. But there's a big difference between that and revealing all my private information to them.
  - dcre 2y ago
    In their defense, in my phrasing, what is sent and to whom had equal weight. But you’re exactly right: obviously it is OpenAI and Anthropic. The private content being sent is the important part.

by dcre 2y ago

jitl 2y ago

(I work at Notion but not on AI) We maintain a list of data su processors here: https://www.notion.so/notion/Notion-s-List-of-Subprocessors-268fa5bcfa0f46b6bc29436b21676734 https://www.notion.so/notion/Notion-s-List-of-Subprocessors-... It’s not as specific as citing the actual model version in use from each vendor, though.

light_hue_1 2y ago
That isn't reassuring at all. It's pretty much the worst case scenario. I don't want my private notes sent to places like openai who will use them to train models and who don't have any reasonable corporate governance. They have leaked customer data before. And I'm not anti AI. I'm an ML researcher who uses LLMs all the time. But there's a big difference between that and revealing all my private information to them.
- dcre 2y ago
  In their defense, in my phrasing, what is sent and to whom had equal weight. But you’re exactly right: obviously it is OpenAI and Anthropic. The private content being sent is the important part.