4 ms·

No SD card slot? Urgh. 8/16GB is not a lot of room, especially for a tablet that is not going to be online all the time.

by Splines 14y ago

guynamedloren 14y ago
but nobody complained when the original ipad didn't have one (with same internal storage).
- ghshephard 14y ago
  Well, lots of people complained about the lack of an SD card - and indeed, one of the differentiators that people look to google for are things like replaceable batteries, USB connectivity, and SD card expandability. Those people who are content to live in a walled off protected garden, might be well served in the Apple world. Those people who want to root their boxes, add USB accessories, and swap out SD cards previously could go the Google route.
  - will_work4tears 14y ago
    I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the same specs just for the battery being swappable.
    - greedo 14y ago
      So you always carry two extra batteries around? That must be fun. What model phone do you have that you need 3 batteries to get through the day? Wouldn't it be easier just to carry around a charger?
      - deleted 14y ago
        [deleted]
      - Moto7451 14y ago
        My buddy has a TMobile MyTouch phone (forget which one) and he goes through three batteries per day. My Samsung Admire lasts a day and a half on one battery with similar usage. The difference is his MyTouch is "thin and sexy" and mine has a battery bulge and a tick smaller screen. Small battery + large power hungry screen = angry user base. He hates it but he's pretty loyal to TMobile. I suggested getting another Android phone but he's rather soured by the experience and plans on getting a WinPhone or iPhone (if they get them) when his contract is up.
        greedo 14y ago
        That's just insane, and I can't think that's a typical usage scenario. Going through three batteries a day (assuming he charges it while he sleeps) means he's getting less than six hours per battery. And I don't understand the loyalty to a carrier that sells phones with such poor performance. Where does his loyalty come from, a crush on the cute girl in the T-Mobile ads?
    - awolf 14y ago
      >I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. Then you'll never buy Apple. Non-replaceable battery means a much better device. Going back to replaceable batteries would be a huge step backwards. Replaceable batteries on portable devices are going away. Sorry to break the new to you.
      - will_work4tears 14y ago
        I disagree. Non replaceable batteries are a step back. Guess it depends on your outlook. I like to work with things. Some electronics, some carpentry, some mechanic work on my cars. Anything that restricts that freedom is a step backwards. Anytime you are at the whim of a tyrannical company, you are limiting yourself. All IMO, I get that, but this is why I disagree.
      - enjo 14y ago
        Why? I have a pretty new Galaxy Nexus and I can replace the battery just fine.
    - ghshephard 14y ago
      Phones are different from tablets/laptops in terms of battery use case, of course. An iPhone's internal battery can quickly charge to 75% in your pocket (60 minutes) from a spare battery, and then be good to go for another 12-18 hours. A Single Extra Hyperjuice Battery in your pocket will let you go 7-10 days with an iPhone without having to recharge from a wall socket. The problem with the iPad is that it's battery is so high-capacity - that you can't do the same kind of trivial charge in your pocket trick. Also - the batteries take about 5 hours to get up to a 75% charge. So - the battery problem has been mostly solved for iPhones (just recharge them from a hyper juice or like spare battery) but iPads have yet to come out with the same convenient solution.
      - will_work4tears 14y ago
        Hmm, 100 bucks though, still kinda high priced. I can get two batteries with a wall charger for 20 bucks on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/1900mAh-Batteries-GT-I9100-Anker-Multi-purpose/dp/B0058SJ5Q4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&coliid=IH4CN1ABYZHH8&colid=2R0T75GGKOZ86 http://www.amazon.com/1900mAh-Batteries-GT-I9100-Anker-Multi... A weekend charge and I'm often good for the whole workweek.
    - tedunangst 14y ago
      Which is better, two 20WHr batteries or one 40WHr battery?
      - will_work4tears 14y ago
        Two twenties, because after a few months, I have two 15s and you have a twenty. Batteries never seem to fully charge like the used to. My wife has a iPhone (the 4s or something) and still has to charge hers more than I do (Samsung Galaxy II). Not a whole lot different, but instead of her being tied to the outlet, I can pull my battery out, put in the new one and keep going. That kind of convenience is worth everything to me. Also 200 dollars to replace a battery that lasts a year is still a lot less than I spend. I spend 20 bucks for two spare batteries on Amazon. I don't go through 20 batteries a year, that's for sure.
        evilduck 14y ago
        By the time a [nondefective] battery needs replacing in an iPhone, your warranty is up anyways. They're not user-replaceable under warranty but they're not especially difficult to replace either, and only cost about $30 from an OEM parts supplier.
        rimantas 14y ago
        Apple batteries last much longer than a year. My first iPhone was 3G model and after changing hands three times and three and a half years later it still goes strong. Also you are never tied to the outlet with iPhone — battery easily lasts a day even under heavily usage, so you can just plug it in for the night. And for most people convenience is not to have to carry spare batteries. I never so a person who did that — it is extremely rare preference. Apple is done with replaceable batteries, expect others go the same way.
- mgkimsal 14y ago
  yes they did, but ipads still sold. however, android has been adopted by many as the "anything but apple" crowd, and when google/android does things that apple has done (no SD card in this case), it disappoints the fans.
- janardanyri 14y ago
  No, the original iPad was 16/32/64GB, just like the current one. That's why there is no gnashing of teeth. (I have a 64GB original iPad and never have hurt for space.)
  - Retric 14y ago
    Also, they both charge 6.25/GB for extra storage which is stupid levels price discrimination so it's a little silly for Google not to include a 32GB option. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination. PS: For anyone that thinks 100$/16GB is a cost / space issue you can get fingernail sized 16GB micro SD cards for less than 5$, clearly there was space for more memory.
  - Samuel_Michon 14y ago
    Indeed. From Apple's press release of January 2010: "iPad will be available in late March worldwide for a suggested retail price of $499 (US) for the 16GB model, $599 (US) for the 32GB model, $699 (US) for the 64GB model." http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/01/27Apple-Launches-iPad.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/01/27Apple-Launches-iPa...
- evilduck 14y ago
  Android also has some notion of a traditional filesystem that's exposed to the user, iOS does not.
- grecy 14y ago
  January 2010 was a long time ago...
- myko 14y ago
  I complained. It's one of the reason's I switched to Android. I'm pretty annoyed by my Nexus devices no longer having built-in SD card support, though on the tablet I don't mind using USB storage for plane rides when I need the extra space.
andybak 14y ago
It does have USB (On the Go/Host whatever you want to call it) so someone could produce a slim card reader or USB stick.
guelo 14y ago
I think this is what the "Made for Play" thing is all about. It also leaves room for Asus and other manufacturers to come out with tablets with more ports.

No SD card slot? Urgh. 8/16GB is not a lot of room, especially for a tablet that is not going to be online all the time.

by Splines 14y ago

No SD card slot? Urgh. 8/16GB is not a lot of room, especially for a tablet that is not going to be online all the time.

guynamedloren 14y ago

but nobody complained when the original ipad didn't have one (with same internal storage).

ghshephard 14y ago
Well, lots of people complained about the lack of an SD card - and indeed, one of the differentiators that people look to google for are things like replaceable batteries, USB connectivity, and SD card expandability. Those people who are content to live in a walled off protected garden, might be well served in the Apple world. Those people who want to root their boxes, add USB accessories, and swap out SD cards previously could go the Google route.
- will_work4tears 14y ago
  I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the same specs just for the battery being swappable.
  - greedo 14y ago
    So you always carry two extra batteries around? That must be fun. What model phone do you have that you need 3 batteries to get through the day? Wouldn't it be easier just to carry around a charger?
    - deleted 14y ago
      [deleted]
    - Moto7451 14y ago
      My buddy has a TMobile MyTouch phone (forget which one) and he goes through three batteries per day. My Samsung Admire lasts a day and a half on one battery with similar usage. The difference is his MyTouch is "thin and sexy" and mine has a battery bulge and a tick smaller screen. Small battery + large power hungry screen = angry user base. He hates it but he's pretty loyal to TMobile. I suggested getting another Android phone but he's rather soured by the experience and plans on getting a WinPhone or iPhone (if they get them) when his contract is up.
      - greedo 14y ago
        That's just insane, and I can't think that's a typical usage scenario. Going through three batteries a day (assuming he charges it while he sleeps) means he's getting less than six hours per battery. And I don't understand the loyalty to a carrier that sells phones with such poor performance. Where does his loyalty come from, a crush on the cute girl in the T-Mobile ads?
  - awolf 14y ago
    >I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. Then you'll never buy Apple. Non-replaceable battery means a much better device. Going back to replaceable batteries would be a huge step backwards. Replaceable batteries on portable devices are going away. Sorry to break the new to you.
    - will_work4tears 14y ago
      I disagree. Non replaceable batteries are a step back. Guess it depends on your outlook. I like to work with things. Some electronics, some carpentry, some mechanic work on my cars. Anything that restricts that freedom is a step backwards. Anytime you are at the whim of a tyrannical company, you are limiting yourself. All IMO, I get that, but this is why I disagree.
    - enjo 14y ago
      Why? I have a pretty new Galaxy Nexus and I can replace the battery just fine.
  - ghshephard 14y ago
    Phones are different from tablets/laptops in terms of battery use case, of course. An iPhone's internal battery can quickly charge to 75% in your pocket (60 minutes) from a spare battery, and then be good to go for another 12-18 hours. A Single Extra Hyperjuice Battery in your pocket will let you go 7-10 days with an iPhone without having to recharge from a wall socket. The problem with the iPad is that it's battery is so high-capacity - that you can't do the same kind of trivial charge in your pocket trick. Also - the batteries take about 5 hours to get up to a 75% charge. So - the battery problem has been mostly solved for iPhones (just recharge them from a hyper juice or like spare battery) but iPads have yet to come out with the same convenient solution.
    - will_work4tears 14y ago
      Hmm, 100 bucks though, still kinda high priced. I can get two batteries with a wall charger for 20 bucks on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/1900mAh-Batteries-GT-I9100-Anker-Multi-purpose/dp/B0058SJ5Q4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&coliid=IH4CN1ABYZHH8&colid=2R0T75GGKOZ86 http://www.amazon.com/1900mAh-Batteries-GT-I9100-Anker-Multi... A weekend charge and I'm often good for the whole workweek.
  - tedunangst 14y ago
    Which is better, two 20WHr batteries or one 40WHr battery?
    - will_work4tears 14y ago
      Two twenties, because after a few months, I have two 15s and you have a twenty. Batteries never seem to fully charge like the used to. My wife has a iPhone (the 4s or something) and still has to charge hers more than I do (Samsung Galaxy II). Not a whole lot different, but instead of her being tied to the outlet, I can pull my battery out, put in the new one and keep going. That kind of convenience is worth everything to me. Also 200 dollars to replace a battery that lasts a year is still a lot less than I spend. I spend 20 bucks for two spare batteries on Amazon. I don't go through 20 batteries a year, that's for sure.
      - evilduck 14y ago
        By the time a [nondefective] battery needs replacing in an iPhone, your warranty is up anyways. They're not user-replaceable under warranty but they're not especially difficult to replace either, and only cost about $30 from an OEM parts supplier.
      - rimantas 14y ago
        Apple batteries last much longer than a year. My first iPhone was 3G model and after changing hands three times and three and a half years later it still goes strong. Also you are never tied to the outlet with iPhone — battery easily lasts a day even under heavily usage, so you can just plug it in for the night. And for most people convenience is not to have to carry spare batteries. I never so a person who did that — it is extremely rare preference. Apple is done with replaceable batteries, expect others go the same way.
mgkimsal 14y ago
yes they did, but ipads still sold. however, android has been adopted by many as the "anything but apple" crowd, and when google/android does things that apple has done (no SD card in this case), it disappoints the fans.
janardanyri 14y ago
No, the original iPad was 16/32/64GB, just like the current one. That's why there is no gnashing of teeth. (I have a 64GB original iPad and never have hurt for space.)
- Retric 14y ago
  Also, they both charge 6.25/GB for extra storage which is stupid levels price discrimination so it's a little silly for Google not to include a 32GB option. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination. PS: For anyone that thinks 100$/16GB is a cost / space issue you can get fingernail sized 16GB micro SD cards for less than 5$, clearly there was space for more memory.
- Samuel_Michon 14y ago
  Indeed. From Apple's press release of January 2010: "iPad will be available in late March worldwide for a suggested retail price of $499 (US) for the 16GB model, $599 (US) for the 32GB model, $699 (US) for the 64GB model." http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/01/27Apple-Launches-iPad.html http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/01/27Apple-Launches-iPa...
evilduck 14y ago
Android also has some notion of a traditional filesystem that's exposed to the user, iOS does not.
grecy 14y ago
January 2010 was a long time ago...
myko 14y ago
I complained. It's one of the reason's I switched to Android. I'm pretty annoyed by my Nexus devices no longer having built-in SD card support, though on the tablet I don't mind using USB storage for plane rides when I need the extra space.

andybak 14y ago

It does have USB (On the Go/Host whatever you want to call it) so someone could produce a slim card reader or USB stick.

guelo 14y ago

I think this is what the "Made for Play" thing is all about. It also leaves room for Asus and other manufacturers to come out with tablets with more ports.