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Eric Adams Staffer Left FBI Interview to Delete Encrypted Chat Apps

20 points by Algemarin 2y ago

neaden 2y ago
The most striking thing about all this is just how bad everyone on Adams staff and himself were at it. When I worked for a local government I was told all my communications could get FOIAd so to be careful about what I did and I wasn't even working on anything sensitive or illegal.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  A lot of them are former cops, used to having a police union in the way of themselves and any accountability for bad actions.
  - neaden 2y ago
    Yeah but that also means presumably they have dealt with criminals before, and as Stronger Bell famously said in the wire "Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?"
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Being immune to consequences breeds complacency.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  NYC mayor’s office has been slow rolling several of my FOIA requests, and with this event, I am suddenly not surprised why.
  - underseacables 2y ago
    What are you requesting?
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      Adams’ emails with regards to unpopular policies, a retention schedule, and data inventory.
      - underseacables 2y ago
        Start by asking for a list. An inventory of emails. I was listening to a journalist talk about trying to get documents out of the federal government, and she suggested that the first step to take us to ask for a list. List of emails, list of meetings, and then start picking it apart from there. I guess go small and then grow. Unfortunately, it probably won't work in this case, because the Adams administration will just ignore you, knowing you won't or can't sue.
ceejayoz 2y ago
And Adams himself: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/09/26/eric-adams-password-phone-fbi/75400909007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/09/26/eric... > On November 5, Adams surrendered that mobile phone – but there was a hitch. > “When Adams produced his personal cellphone the next day in response to a subpoena, it was 'locked,' such that the device required a password to open,” the indictment said. “Adams claimed that after he learned about the investigation into his conduct, he changed the password" that same day "and increased the complexity of his password from four digits to six.” > The mayor said he’d changed the password to prevent members of his staff from accidentally deleting anything. > “But, Adams further claimed, he had forgotten the password he had just set, and thus was unable to provide the FBI with a password that would unlock the phone,” the indictment says.
- Molitor5901 2y ago
  If that doesn't scream corruption.. It's astonishing, to someone who doesn't live in NYC, how much of the Adam's administration is under a cloud of criminal suspicion.
  - pavel_lishin 2y ago
    Imagine if he were a competent human being.
joemazerino 2y ago
> This is all to say, if you find yourself in a situation where you need an impromptu bathroom break in the middle of an interrogation to delete messages, you’re already in deep shit. Hilarious.
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OutOfHere 2y ago
There is nothing wrong with deleting a chat. It is foolish to incriminate oneself by keeping unnecessary chats. Whether they should have been using a chat or not for government business is another matter.
- alphabettsy 2y ago
  That depends. If you’re working in government and in some cases outside of government you have communications retention requirements. Then there’s the destroying evidence once you’re aware of an investigation part.
  - OutOfHere 2y ago
    > Then there’s the destroying evidence once you’re aware of an investigation part. No, it's not "evidence" if it hasn't already been collected. You're presuming there is evidence or that it is official communication. Until it's collected, it's just a chat. It's your constitutional right to delete your personal chat and to not incriminate yourself. In contrast, if you were ordered by a judge to not delete a personal chat, that's a different matter.
    - erik_seaberg 2y ago
      > When a party reasonably anticipates litigation, they have a duty to preserve documents and electronically stored information (ESI). This duty is codified in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) 37(e). I don't like this (it punishes private record keeping) but it's enforced, I believe also by state courts. Big tech companies set impractically short retention policies in general but also put some records on "litigation hold", because they know they can't refuse to comply.
      - OutOfHere 2y ago
        Yes, the legal way is to lose the device in a boating accident, so to speak. The federal government itself has routinely lost hard drives in this manner that were subject to litigation. More seriously, you're spot-on about setting a short retention policy. It's the primary rational way. I hope that people can understand when I'm playing devil's advocate when no one else will.
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20 points by Algemarin 2y ago

The most striking thing about all this is just how bad everyone on Adams staff and himself were at it. When I worked for a local government I was told all my communications could get FOIAd so to be careful about what I did and I wasn't even working on anything sensitive or illegal.

ceejayoz 2y ago
A lot of them are former cops, used to having a police union in the way of themselves and any accountability for bad actions.
- neaden 2y ago
  Yeah but that also means presumably they have dealt with criminals before, and as Stronger Bell famously said in the wire "Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?"
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Being immune to consequences breeds complacency.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
NYC mayor’s office has been slow rolling several of my FOIA requests, and with this event, I am suddenly not surprised why.
- underseacables 2y ago
  What are you requesting?
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Adams’ emails with regards to unpopular policies, a retention schedule, and data inventory.
    - underseacables 2y ago
      Start by asking for a list. An inventory of emails. I was listening to a journalist talk about trying to get documents out of the federal government, and she suggested that the first step to take us to ask for a list. List of emails, list of meetings, and then start picking it apart from there. I guess go small and then grow. Unfortunately, it probably won't work in this case, because the Adams administration will just ignore you, knowing you won't or can't sue.

ceejayoz 2y ago

And Adams himself: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/09/26/eric-adams-password-phone-fbi/75400909007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/09/26/eric... > On November 5, Adams surrendered that mobile phone – but there was a hitch. > “When Adams produced his personal cellphone the next day in response to a subpoena, it was 'locked,' such that the device required a password to open,” the indictment said. “Adams claimed that after he learned about the investigation into his conduct, he changed the password" that same day "and increased the complexity of his password from four digits to six.” > The mayor said he’d changed the password to prevent members of his staff from accidentally deleting anything. > “But, Adams further claimed, he had forgotten the password he had just set, and thus was unable to provide the FBI with a password that would unlock the phone,” the indictment says.

Molitor5901 2y ago
If that doesn't scream corruption.. It's astonishing, to someone who doesn't live in NYC, how much of the Adam's administration is under a cloud of criminal suspicion.
- pavel_lishin 2y ago
  Imagine if he were a competent human being.

joemazerino 2y ago

> This is all to say, if you find yourself in a situation where you need an impromptu bathroom break in the middle of an interrogation to delete messages, you’re already in deep shit. Hilarious.

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OutOfHere 2y ago

There is nothing wrong with deleting a chat. It is foolish to incriminate oneself by keeping unnecessary chats. Whether they should have been using a chat or not for government business is another matter.

alphabettsy 2y ago
That depends. If you’re working in government and in some cases outside of government you have communications retention requirements. Then there’s the destroying evidence once you’re aware of an investigation part.
- OutOfHere 2y ago
  > Then there’s the destroying evidence once you’re aware of an investigation part. No, it's not "evidence" if it hasn't already been collected. You're presuming there is evidence or that it is official communication. Until it's collected, it's just a chat. It's your constitutional right to delete your personal chat and to not incriminate yourself. In contrast, if you were ordered by a judge to not delete a personal chat, that's a different matter.
  - erik_seaberg 2y ago
    > When a party reasonably anticipates litigation, they have a duty to preserve documents and electronically stored information (ESI). This duty is codified in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP) 37(e). I don't like this (it punishes private record keeping) but it's enforced, I believe also by state courts. Big tech companies set impractically short retention policies in general but also put some records on "litigation hold", because they know they can't refuse to comply.
    - OutOfHere 2y ago
      Yes, the legal way is to lose the device in a boating accident, so to speak. The federal government itself has routinely lost hard drives in this manner that were subject to litigation. More seriously, you're spot-on about setting a short retention policy. It's the primary rational way. I hope that people can understand when I'm playing devil's advocate when no one else will.

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