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I totally sympathize with the sentiment. But how long until people who are taking a moral stand against AI are simply obsoleted by the people who don’t? Today i

I totally sympathize with the sentiment. But how long until people who are taking a moral stand against AI are simply obsoleted by the people who don’t? Today it’s easy to code effectively without relying on AI. But in 10 years will you simply be too slow? Same argument can be made with nearly any industry.

pixl97 2y ago
Pretty much like the people that don't care about privacy. You still get captured and tagged in their information and uploaded to the web. As an individual it's difficult to do much about it.
croes 2y ago
That's same logic as for frameworks like react. With react you are more productive, my web experience is worse than without a those frameworks. And LLMs get worse if they are trained on AI generated text. At the current speed I don't know if in 10 years AI is still worse the high costs.
- joshstrange 2y ago
  > With react you are more productive, my web experience is worse than without a those frameworks. You cannot begin to know that for sure and really makes little to no sense if you think about it. As with the anti-electron crowd the options are not: * Electron app or * Bespoke, hand-crafted, made with love, native app The options are normally “electron app” or “nothing”. Same deal here. Taking away React/Angular/Vue won’t magically make people write more performant websites. I’m sure people bitched about (and continue to) PHP for making it easy for people to create websites that aren’t performant or Wordpress for all its flaws. It’s the same story that’s repeated over and over in tech circles and I find it both silly and incredibly short-sighted. Actually I find it tiring because you can always go one level deeper to one-up these absurd statements. It’s No True Scotsman all the way down.
  - emptiestplace 2y ago
    I feel like I (probably?) agree with what you are saying, but this is a very confusing comment. You started out with an epistemological argument, and then jumped into an analogy that's so close to what is being discussed that on first read I thought you were just confused. I'm not sure anyone can continue the discussion in a meaningful way from what you've written because so many aspects of your comment are ambiguous or contradictory.
  - croes 2y ago
    I mean retrospectively. In the time before all those framework like react the UX was better for me than now. Less flashy, animated but faster.
  - smileson2 2y ago
    I hate this analogy, even things from the rad days like vb were better than electron

pixl97 2y ago

Pretty much like the people that don't care about privacy. You still get captured and tagged in their information and uploaded to the web. As an individual it's difficult to do much about it.

croes 2y ago

That's same logic as for frameworks like react. With react you are more productive, my web experience is worse than without a those frameworks. And LLMs get worse if they are trained on AI generated text. At the current speed I don't know if in 10 years AI is still worse the high costs.

joshstrange 2y ago
> With react you are more productive, my web experience is worse than without a those frameworks. You cannot begin to know that for sure and really makes little to no sense if you think about it. As with the anti-electron crowd the options are not: * Electron app or * Bespoke, hand-crafted, made with love, native app The options are normally “electron app” or “nothing”. Same deal here. Taking away React/Angular/Vue won’t magically make people write more performant websites. I’m sure people bitched about (and continue to) PHP for making it easy for people to create websites that aren’t performant or Wordpress for all its flaws. It’s the same story that’s repeated over and over in tech circles and I find it both silly and incredibly short-sighted. Actually I find it tiring because you can always go one level deeper to one-up these absurd statements. It’s No True Scotsman all the way down.
- emptiestplace 2y ago
  I feel like I (probably?) agree with what you are saying, but this is a very confusing comment. You started out with an epistemological argument, and then jumped into an analogy that's so close to what is being discussed that on first read I thought you were just confused. I'm not sure anyone can continue the discussion in a meaningful way from what you've written because so many aspects of your comment are ambiguous or contradictory.
- croes 2y ago
  I mean retrospectively. In the time before all those framework like react the UX was better for me than now. Less flashy, animated but faster.
- smileson2 2y ago
  I hate this analogy, even things from the rad days like vb were better than electron