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I feel weird being stubborn against free tier google gemini I feel as though it 'extracts' some sort of "smartness" out of me (if any) and then whatever intell
by ysofunny 2y ago
I feel weird being stubborn against free tier google gemini
I feel as though it 'extracts' some sort of "smartness" out of me (if any) and then whatever intelligence from me becomes part of google gemini
this is why I would never want to pay for using these tools, anything good that comes from me in the chat becomes google's by AI training, which is ok so long as it's free to use
i.e. I won't pay to make their stuff better through my own work
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- buzzerbetrayed 2y agoI totally sympathize with the sentiment. But how long until people who are taking a moral stand against AI are simply obsoleted by the people who don’t? Today it’s easy to code effectively without relying on AI. But in 10 years will you simply be too slow? Same argument can be made with nearly any industry.
- pixl97 2y agoPretty much like the people that don't care about privacy. You still get captured and tagged in their information and uploaded to the web. As an individual it's difficult to do much about it.
- croes 2y agoThat's same logic as for frameworks like react. With react you are more productive, my web experience is worse than without a those frameworks. And LLMs get worse if they are trained on AI generated text. At the current speed I don't know if in 10 years AI is still worse the high costs.
- joshstrange 2y ago> With react you are more productive, my web experience is worse than without a those frameworks. You cannot begin to know that for sure and really makes little to no sense if you think about it. As with the anti-electron crowd the options are not: * Electron app or * Bespoke, hand-crafted, made with love, native app The options are normally “electron app” or “nothing”. Same deal here. Taking away React/Angular/Vue won’t magically make people write more performant websites. I’m sure people bitched about (and continue to) PHP for making it easy for people to create websites that aren’t performant or Wordpress for all its flaws. It’s the same story that’s repeated over and over in tech circles and I find it both silly and incredibly short-sighted. Actually I find it tiring because you can always go one level deeper to one-up these absurd statements. It’s No True Scotsman all the way down.
- emptiestplace 2y agoI feel like I (probably?) agree with what you are saying, but this is a very confusing comment. You started out with an epistemological argument, and then jumped into an analogy that's so close to what is being discussed that on first read I thought you were just confused. I'm not sure anyone can continue the discussion in a meaningful way from what you've written because so many aspects of your comment are ambiguous or contradictory.
- croes 2y agoI mean retrospectively. In the time before all those framework like react the UX was better for me than now. Less flashy, animated but faster.
- smileson2 2y agoI hate this analogy, even things from the rad days like vb were better than electron
- simonw 2y agoSeveral LLM providers have solid promises that they won't train on your inputs to them. OpenAI have this if you are using their paid API (though frustratingly not for their paid ChatGPT users, at least to my knowledge), and Anthropic have that for input to their free apps as well: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996885-how-do-you-use-personal-data-in-model-training#h_5f5f5f9b0b https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/7996885-how-do-you... I was hoping I could say the same for Gemini, but unfortunately their policy at https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?visit_id=638631360245451590-850445512&p=privacy_help&rd=1#what_data https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/13594961?visit_id=6... says "Google uses this data, consistent with our Privacy Policy, to provide, improve, and develop Google products and services and machine-learning technologies" My intuition is that Google don't directly train on user conversations (because user conversations are full of both junk and sensitive information that no model would want to train on), but I can't state that with any credibility.
- fhdsgbbcaA 2y agoI’m sure there’s absolutely zero chance that Sam Altman would lie about that, especially now that he’s gutted all oversight and senior-level opposition.
- light_hue_1 2y agoAh yes. Solid promises you can never verify. That companies would benefit massively from violating. That's worth literally nothing.
- JCharante 2y agotbh your data would be too unstructured, it's not really being used to train unless you flag it deliberately with a feedback mechanism