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it's GDPR from the subheader > The Irish Data Protection Commission found that the company violated several GDPR rules. this is why lots of websites block the

it's GDPR from the subheader > The Irish Data Protection Commission found that the company violated several GDPR rules. this is why lots of websites block the EU from accessing. You basically need to consult with lawyers to make sure you're not accidentally breaking the law when writing a codebase.

omnimus 2y ago
“lots” not really as most companies want accesss to european market. Also no you dont need to consult lawyers when writing code. You just dont track and save data and do questionable stuff with it. Saving passwords in logs is surely security issue first before its GDPR issue.
- JCharante 2y ago
  yes it's a security issue but you wouldn't "expect" to get fined millions of dollars. Do I think we should punish companies for storing passwords in plaintext? Yes. Would I expect that a bug and devs untrained in GDPR best practices could lead to fines? No. Usually in software engineering you don't get your company fined for making terrible mistakes unless you're in a field like finance. This was just passwords which most sites have, not something like PCI DSS stuff
  - gm3dmo 2y ago
    >yes it's a security issue but you wouldn't "expect" to get fined millions of dollars. The penalties are based on percentage of turnover.
  - nolok 2y ago
    > yes it's a security issue but you wouldn't "expect" to get fined millions of dollars. Which is exactly why companies don't care, which is why this regulation was made and those fines decided. > Usually in software engineering you don't get your company fined for making terrible mistakes unless you're in a field like finance. You're not fined for a mistake, you're fined for a mistake AND that mistake huer the customer more than you AND you don't disclose it swiflty to him.
- JCharante 2y ago
  > “lots” not really as most companies want accesss to european market. Plenty of foreign newspapers block the EU from accessing their sites. The EU is not that a big market.
  - mdhb 2y ago
    This is also factually incorrect https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp?continent=europe https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp?continent=euro...
    - JCharante 2y ago
      How so? Your source shows that Asia + North America make up like 67% of global GPD.
      - mdhb 2y ago
        The $18349 Billion GDP. What did you think I was referring to? Were you trying to be daft?
        JCharante 2y ago
        I said the EU is not that big of a market. It’s less than 1/3 of the global GDP. We seem to have different definitions of a big market.
        mdhb 2y ago
        Clearly but whatever definition you have that doesn’t include $18349 Billion is ridiculous
mdhb 2y ago
I probably encounter this like 5 times a year, your statement is wrong.
maeil 2y ago
I see this comment pop up here often in these threads about EU fines and regulations. "Apple/company should just call the EUs bluff and stop selling in the EU!". Apple's a good example because they're such an incredibly global brand, who should be less reliant on EU customers. Yet Europe is responsible for >20% of their revenue. Shareholders would eat you alive for just "nope"ing away from that. Yes, US GDP/capita is far above the EU average, but the EU still represents 450 million, on average fairly wealthy people. So companies simply play ball. And that excludes the UK, whose data protection laws are similarly strict.
- gm3dmo 2y ago
  see Apple's 14 billion tax troubles in Ireland. For years these companies have been using the European operations as part of the tax avoidance schemes. Don't mess with the Flemish has been good advice for 600 of the last thousand years.
- JCharante 2y ago
  20% of revenue isn't that much. Would you rather focus on your core product and double your revenue, or focus on getting that 20%? Yes giant companies have the resources and experience less YoY growth so they will work with the EU market, but most companies would do better to ignore the EU.
  - philistine 2y ago
    Explain to me how not selling in the EU could double a company's revenue? How removing yourself from your third largest market would enlarge the others? How millions of people in the US don't buy an iPhone because you can buy iPhones in Germany?
  - nolok 2y ago
    > 20% of revenue isn't that much It is in reality gigantic, especially at that scale. And in this specific example, Apple net profit is 24% of their revenue. > Would you rather focus on your core product and double your revenue Saying you no longer sell to people with blue eyes or wearing short is not in any way increasing your sales to other people. I'm sorry to you your messages sound like you're not very knowledge about the subject matter.

omnimus 2y ago

“lots” not really as most companies want accesss to european market. Also no you dont need to consult lawyers when writing code. You just dont track and save data and do questionable stuff with it. Saving passwords in logs is surely security issue first before its GDPR issue.

JCharante 2y ago
yes it's a security issue but you wouldn't "expect" to get fined millions of dollars. Do I think we should punish companies for storing passwords in plaintext? Yes. Would I expect that a bug and devs untrained in GDPR best practices could lead to fines? No. Usually in software engineering you don't get your company fined for making terrible mistakes unless you're in a field like finance. This was just passwords which most sites have, not something like PCI DSS stuff
- gm3dmo 2y ago
  >yes it's a security issue but you wouldn't "expect" to get fined millions of dollars. The penalties are based on percentage of turnover.
- nolok 2y ago
  > yes it's a security issue but you wouldn't "expect" to get fined millions of dollars. Which is exactly why companies don't care, which is why this regulation was made and those fines decided. > Usually in software engineering you don't get your company fined for making terrible mistakes unless you're in a field like finance. You're not fined for a mistake, you're fined for a mistake AND that mistake huer the customer more than you AND you don't disclose it swiflty to him.
JCharante 2y ago
> “lots” not really as most companies want accesss to european market. Plenty of foreign newspapers block the EU from accessing their sites. The EU is not that a big market.
- mdhb 2y ago
  This is also factually incorrect https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp?continent=europe https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp?continent=euro...
  - JCharante 2y ago
    How so? Your source shows that Asia + North America make up like 67% of global GPD.
    - mdhb 2y ago
      The $18349 Billion GDP. What did you think I was referring to? Were you trying to be daft?
      - JCharante 2y ago
        I said the EU is not that big of a market. It’s less than 1/3 of the global GDP. We seem to have different definitions of a big market.
        mdhb 2y ago
        Clearly but whatever definition you have that doesn’t include $18349 Billion is ridiculous

mdhb 2y ago

I probably encounter this like 5 times a year, your statement is wrong.

maeil 2y ago

I see this comment pop up here often in these threads about EU fines and regulations. "Apple/company should just call the EUs bluff and stop selling in the EU!". Apple's a good example because they're such an incredibly global brand, who should be less reliant on EU customers. Yet Europe is responsible for >20% of their revenue. Shareholders would eat you alive for just "nope"ing away from that. Yes, US GDP/capita is far above the EU average, but the EU still represents 450 million, on average fairly wealthy people. So companies simply play ball. And that excludes the UK, whose data protection laws are similarly strict.

gm3dmo 2y ago
see Apple's 14 billion tax troubles in Ireland. For years these companies have been using the European operations as part of the tax avoidance schemes. Don't mess with the Flemish has been good advice for 600 of the last thousand years.
JCharante 2y ago
20% of revenue isn't that much. Would you rather focus on your core product and double your revenue, or focus on getting that 20%? Yes giant companies have the resources and experience less YoY growth so they will work with the EU market, but most companies would do better to ignore the EU.
- philistine 2y ago
  Explain to me how not selling in the EU could double a company's revenue? How removing yourself from your third largest market would enlarge the others? How millions of people in the US don't buy an iPhone because you can buy iPhones in Germany?
- nolok 2y ago
  > 20% of revenue isn't that much It is in reality gigantic, especially at that scale. And in this specific example, Apple net profit is 24% of their revenue. > Would you rather focus on your core product and double your revenue Saying you no longer sell to people with blue eyes or wearing short is not in any way increasing your sales to other people. I'm sorry to you your messages sound like you're not very knowledge about the subject matter.