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I hope a stable branch may result.

by brnt 2y ago

RandomThoughts3 2y ago
Arch already has a stable branch. If you mean a branch which doesn’t update packages and where "maintainers" pretend they back port "essential" fixes by randomly patching what they ship, I hope it never happens because it would mean Arch is truly dead.
- brnt 2y ago
  I mean whatever Valve is doing with their biweekly-ish updates becomes available for non Deck users, as a proper branch or whatever you want to call it.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago
Stability is attained by never updating.
- VexedVegetable 2y ago
  But if you don't update Arch for long enough you will have to install it from scratch in case you want to install anything new. I learned this by putting Arch on a laptop I barely use.
  - brnt 2y ago
    Valve doesn't stream updates but have a bi-weekly-ish schedule. Plus some guarantee that you can always update from any 'release' to the latest. Decks disappear into drawers for months at a time after all. This is actually all that Arch needs to have something called a stable branch, and I would love to roll that out to my fleet.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      > This is actually all that Arch needs to have something called a stable branch I don't think you understand how the Deck handles packaging. You cannot install most pacman or AUR packages on the Deck - root is locked by design and the main way you ingest packages is through filesystem overlays. This works great for centralized update models like the Deck relies on, and forcing users to adopt Flatpak avoids the dynamic linking breakage you would get otherwise. For games, this is excellent. For desktop/developer use, this is unusable. You should check out NixOS for an Arch-like system with an emphasis on stability and huge package repos. Unlike Arch, NixOS is designed from the ground-up to operate on a read-only filesystem, while providing both declarative (configuration.nix) and iterative package (nix profile install) installation options. There are also read-only verions of other OSes like Bazzite and Kinoite, but Nix is the only one that really feels like Arch with more stability.
      - brnt 2y ago
        But that is precisely what I want for desktop use (which is unlike developer use, for which there already is Arch as-is)!

I hope a stable branch may result.

by brnt 2y ago

I hope a stable branch may result.

Arch already has a stable branch. If you mean a branch which doesn’t update packages and where "maintainers" pretend they back port "essential" fixes by randomly patching what they ship, I hope it never happens because it would mean Arch is truly dead.

brnt 2y ago
I mean whatever Valve is doing with their biweekly-ish updates becomes available for non Deck users, as a proper branch or whatever you want to call it.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago

Stability is attained by never updating.

VexedVegetable 2y ago
But if you don't update Arch for long enough you will have to install it from scratch in case you want to install anything new. I learned this by putting Arch on a laptop I barely use.
- brnt 2y ago
  Valve doesn't stream updates but have a bi-weekly-ish schedule. Plus some guarantee that you can always update from any 'release' to the latest. Decks disappear into drawers for months at a time after all. This is actually all that Arch needs to have something called a stable branch, and I would love to roll that out to my fleet.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > This is actually all that Arch needs to have something called a stable branch I don't think you understand how the Deck handles packaging. You cannot install most pacman or AUR packages on the Deck - root is locked by design and the main way you ingest packages is through filesystem overlays. This works great for centralized update models like the Deck relies on, and forcing users to adopt Flatpak avoids the dynamic linking breakage you would get otherwise. For games, this is excellent. For desktop/developer use, this is unusable. You should check out NixOS for an Arch-like system with an emphasis on stability and huge package repos. Unlike Arch, NixOS is designed from the ground-up to operate on a read-only filesystem, while providing both declarative (configuration.nix) and iterative package (nix profile install) installation options. There are also read-only verions of other OSes like Bazzite and Kinoite, but Nix is the only one that really feels like Arch with more stability.
    - brnt 2y ago
      But that is precisely what I want for desktop use (which is unlike developer use, for which there already is Arch as-is)!