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I recently got 12.5.4, but haven't put it through the paces yet. My personal experience has been that I don't see very many (any?), critical interventions now.
by foobazgt 2y ago
I recently got 12.5.4, but haven't put it through the paces yet. My personal experience has been that I don't see very many (any?), critical interventions now. It seems to be handling the more complicated situations like unprotected left turns, roundabouts, etc smoothly.
However, it still doesn't serve a valuable purpose for me yet. I can't take my eyes off the road or my hands off the wheel. Instead, it's the opposite - I must still be hyper vigilante. In fact, it's even worse than that. Because it doesn't drive how I would, I find myself constantly intervening. E.G. I take over when I know there's a good spot to merge for an upcoming turn, but it's delaying the merge. You can force fsd to merge by signaling, but the navigable gaps between vehicles in heavy traffic can disappear faster than fsd will perform the merge. Then the maneuver shifts from reasonable to rude.
If I were just a passenger in the vehicle, I would probably care much less. But right now I'm the operator.
I don't know that anyone will ever train vehicles to behave how you would prefer to drive. I think the gold standard will rather be to behave as you find acceptable as a passenger.
For now, I'm appreciating the much improved summons. Having your vehicle pick you up in the rain is super nice.
- rogerrogerr 2y agoBreaking my no-replying rule because you seem reasonable and have real experience with the topic. Just wanted to reply to this: > However, it still doesn't serve a valuable purpose for me yet. I can't take my eyes off the road or my hands off the wheel. Agree - it doesn’t allow me to open a laptop and get something else useful done. In that sense, it’s not returning any time to me. But to me, it feels much the same as cruise control: it removes a set of monotonous tasks that take up some part of my brain. When I’m not needing to keep a car between lane lines and react immediately to the car ahead slowing down, I’m getting free cycles to look other places. I’m finding I spend a lot more time looking in the mirrors, looking much further ahead down the road, etc. I’m quite sure that me + FSD is safer than just me driving, simply because I’m looking much further ahead and behind. It turns driving into less of a tactical activity and more strategic. It feels almost like being a passenger for a new driver. You can be pretty sure they aren’t going to just dive out of the lane and kill you, so you can look far ahead for anything weird that might trip them up.
- foobazgt 2y agoPerhaps a lifetime of watching my rear view mirror, scanning traffic up far ahead, keeping an eye on drivers next to me, etc, has made those tasks mechanically low-effort. I find them more engaging than exhausting. However, on long road trips, autopilot definitely reduces fatigue for me far more than standard cruise. I'm hoping now that FSD is on interstates, it'll be even better. (Assuming they've fixed the issue where the new minimum speed signs in my area are being read as a speed limit).
- foobarqux 2y ago> “I’m quite sure that me + FSD is safer than just me driving” A drunk driver is quite sure that alcohol is not impairing their driving too. NASA has shown that it literally is not possible for a human mind to monitor a system for a prolonged period of time, ready to intervene at any moment; after a while you tune out. That’s specifically why Waymo never pursued level 2.
- zaptrem 2y agoDriving has a lot more visual/motion-based stimuli than a Mission Control terminal (assuming that's the setting they were testing with).