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It looks awesome. I am definitely going to purchase a 14" Lunar Lake laptop from either Asus (Zenbook S14) or Lenovo (Yoga Slim). I really like my 14" MBP form

It looks awesome. I am definitely going to purchase a 14" Lunar Lake laptop from either Asus (Zenbook S14) or Lenovo (Yoga Slim). I really like my 14" MBP form factor and these look like they would be great for running Linux.

amanzi 2y ago
I'm really curious about how well they run Linux. e.g. will the NPU work under Linux in the same way it does on Windows? Or does it require specific drivers? Same with the batter life - if there a Windows-specific driver that helps with this, or can we expect the same under Linux?
- wmf 2y ago
  All NPUs require drivers. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Linux-NPU-Driver-1.5 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Linux-NPU-Driver-1.5
- ac29 2y ago
  You can look at the NPU software stack here: https://github.com/intel/linux-npu-driver/blob/main/docs/overview.md https://github.com/intel/linux-npu-driver/blob/main/docs/ove... The Linux driver is specific to Linux, but the software on top of that like oneAPI and OpenVINO are cross platform I think.
jjmarr 2y ago
I constantly get graphical glitches on my Zenbook Duo 2024. Would recommend against going Intel if you want to use Linux.
- skavi 2y ago
  Intel has historically been pretty great at Linux support. Especially for peripherals like WiFi cards and GPUs.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    Their "PCIe" wifi cards "mysteriously" not working in anything but Intel systems is enraging. I bought a wifi7 card & tried it in a bunch of non-Intel systems, straight up didn't work. Bought a wifi6 card and it sort of works, ish, but I have to reload the wifi module and sometimes it just dies. (And no these are not cnvio parts). I think Intel has a great amazing legacy & does super things. Usually their driver support is amazing. But these wifi cards have been utterly enraging & far below what's acceptable in the PC world; they are not fit to be called PCIe devices. Something about wifi really brings out the worst in companies. :/
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - transpute 2y ago
      > not fit to be called PCIe devices They might be CNVi in M.2 form factor, with the rest of the "wifi card" inside the Intel SoC. In CNVi, the network adapter's large and usually expensive functional blocks (MAC components, memory, processor and associated logic/firmware) are moved inside the CPU and chipset (Platform Controller Hub). Only the signal processor, analog and Radio frequency (RF) functions are left on an external upgradeable CRF (Companion RF) module which, as of 2019 comes in M.2 form factor. Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset.
      - zaptrem 2y ago
        > Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset. Source? Google turned up nothing.
        zxexz 2y ago
        Sounds like some LLM hallucination to me. EDIT: Right after that I found another HN comment [0] by the same user (through a google search!)! [-1] Interesting IEEE rfc email thread on related to preamble puncturing misc (I have not yet read these through beyond the abstracts): A preprint in ArXiV related to the proposed spec [1] A paper in IEEE Xplore on 802.11bf [2] NIST publication on 802.11bf [3] (basically [2] but on NIST) [-1] https://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00711.html https://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00711.h... [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38811036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38811036 [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.04859 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.04859 [2] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10467185 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10467185 [3] https://www.nist.gov/publications/ieee-80211bf-enabling-widespread-adoption-wi-fi-sensing https://www.nist.gov/publications/ieee-80211bf-enabling-wide...
- gigatexal 2y ago
  Give it some time. Probably needs updated drivers, intel and Linux have been rock solid for me too. If your hardware is really new it’s likely a kernel and time issue. 6.12 or 6.13 should have everything sorted.
  - rafaelmn 2y ago
    Given the layoffs and the trajectory spiral I wouldn't be holding my breath for this.
- silisili 2y ago
  I get them also in my Lunar Lake NUC. Usually in the browser, and presents as missing/choppy text oddly enough. Annoying but not really a deal breaker. Hoping it sorts out in the next couple kernel updates.
  - jjmarr 2y ago
    Do you get weird checkerboard patterns as well?
    - silisili 2y ago
      Yep, but not as often. They seem to flash and disappear when I'm moving or resizing a window or something.
formerly_proven 2y ago
I’d wait for LG honestly

amanzi 2y ago

I'm really curious about how well they run Linux. e.g. will the NPU work under Linux in the same way it does on Windows? Or does it require specific drivers? Same with the batter life - if there a Windows-specific driver that helps with this, or can we expect the same under Linux?

wmf 2y ago
All NPUs require drivers. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Linux-NPU-Driver-1.5 https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Linux-NPU-Driver-1.5
ac29 2y ago
You can look at the NPU software stack here: https://github.com/intel/linux-npu-driver/blob/main/docs/overview.md https://github.com/intel/linux-npu-driver/blob/main/docs/ove... The Linux driver is specific to Linux, but the software on top of that like oneAPI and OpenVINO are cross platform I think.

jjmarr 2y ago

I constantly get graphical glitches on my Zenbook Duo 2024. Would recommend against going Intel if you want to use Linux.

skavi 2y ago
Intel has historically been pretty great at Linux support. Especially for peripherals like WiFi cards and GPUs.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  Their "PCIe" wifi cards "mysteriously" not working in anything but Intel systems is enraging. I bought a wifi7 card & tried it in a bunch of non-Intel systems, straight up didn't work. Bought a wifi6 card and it sort of works, ish, but I have to reload the wifi module and sometimes it just dies. (And no these are not cnvio parts). I think Intel has a great amazing legacy & does super things. Usually their driver support is amazing. But these wifi cards have been utterly enraging & far below what's acceptable in the PC world; they are not fit to be called PCIe devices. Something about wifi really brings out the worst in companies. :/
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - transpute 2y ago
    > not fit to be called PCIe devices They might be CNVi in M.2 form factor, with the rest of the "wifi card" inside the Intel SoC. In CNVi, the network adapter's large and usually expensive functional blocks (MAC components, memory, processor and associated logic/firmware) are moved inside the CPU and chipset (Platform Controller Hub). Only the signal processor, analog and Radio frequency (RF) functions are left on an external upgradeable CRF (Companion RF) module which, as of 2019 comes in M.2 form factor. Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset.
    - zaptrem 2y ago
      > Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset. Source? Google turned up nothing.
      - zxexz 2y ago
        Sounds like some LLM hallucination to me. EDIT: Right after that I found another HN comment [0] by the same user (through a google search!)! [-1] Interesting IEEE rfc email thread on related to preamble puncturing misc (I have not yet read these through beyond the abstracts): A preprint in ArXiV related to the proposed spec [1] A paper in IEEE Xplore on 802.11bf [2] NIST publication on 802.11bf [3] (basically [2] but on NIST) [-1] https://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00711.html https://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00711.h... [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38811036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38811036 [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.04859 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.04859 [2] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10467185 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10467185 [3] https://www.nist.gov/publications/ieee-80211bf-enabling-widespread-adoption-wi-fi-sensing https://www.nist.gov/publications/ieee-80211bf-enabling-wide...
gigatexal 2y ago
Give it some time. Probably needs updated drivers, intel and Linux have been rock solid for me too. If your hardware is really new it’s likely a kernel and time issue. 6.12 or 6.13 should have everything sorted.
- rafaelmn 2y ago
  Given the layoffs and the trajectory spiral I wouldn't be holding my breath for this.
silisili 2y ago
I get them also in my Lunar Lake NUC. Usually in the browser, and presents as missing/choppy text oddly enough. Annoying but not really a deal breaker. Hoping it sorts out in the next couple kernel updates.
- jjmarr 2y ago
  Do you get weird checkerboard patterns as well?
  - silisili 2y ago
    Yep, but not as often. They seem to flash and disappear when I'm moving or resizing a window or something.

formerly_proven 2y ago

I’d wait for LG honestly