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Labor shortages in nursing, cooks, and teachers. But unemployment increasing since 2022. Sounds like it might work itself out?

behringer 2y ago
you'd have to be a complete idiot (or love the craft so much you don't care what it costs you) to go to school for nursing or teaching in the US. Now chef'ing, that's not a half bad idea :)
mschuster91 2y ago
> But unemployment increasing since 2022. Sounds like it might work itself out? No. Partially because these are high stress jobs and not everyone is willing to take them - and honestly, no one should become a nurse or a teacher if they don't want to, because the damage potential is so high, partially because becoming a teacher takes a lot of study and in the US it carries the non-insignificant chance of getting shot.
- Our_Benefactors 2y ago
  > and in the US it carries the non-insignificant chance of getting shot. Oh brother. Citation fucking needed. Show me statistics that support your claim that a teacher is more likely to be a victim of homicide than a member of the general population.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    Well, given that firearm-related deaths are the top cause of child mortality in the US, that there have been 139 shootings in schools just this year (that isn't even over yet...) [2] and there's about 115.000 schools in the US [3] it's about a 0.12% chance that any given teacher's school is about to be the site of a massacre in the US in a given year. That definitely fits my claim of a non-insignificant chance of getting shot, and in any case it should be zero - children should not fear getting shot to the point that 95% of schools have to hold (some even mandated by law...) regular active-shooter drills that end up traumatizing a truckload of children [6]. THESE DRILLS ONLY EXIST IN THE USA among civilized, developed countries ffs. Other countries may hold drills for natural disasters such as earthquakes, there's no chance to avoid that, but shooting drills? Come on! In contrast, there have been about 22.000 murders per year since Covid [5] (a significant uptick) on a population of 345 million people, so the risk of getting murdered is significantly lower for the general population. The risk might be even lower in rural areas but higher in high-crime-in-general areas but seriously I lack the time and will to do a per-county analysis. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 [2] https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/ https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds... [3] https://mdreducation.com/how-many-schools-are-in-the-u-s/ https://mdreducation.com/how-many-schools-are-in-the-u-s/ [4] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-a... [5] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-a... [6] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/29/teachers-call-for-ban-on-shooter-drills-in-us-schools https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/29/teachers-cal...
    - Our_Benefactors 2y ago
      A shooting event in a school does not mean that all teachers were shot. There is a big difference between “something horrible happened at school” and “I was shot”. You cannot manipulate statistics this way. You have not shown that teachers are more likely to be victims of homicide than the general population.

behringer 2y ago

you'd have to be a complete idiot (or love the craft so much you don't care what it costs you) to go to school for nursing or teaching in the US. Now chef'ing, that's not a half bad idea :)

mschuster91 2y ago

> But unemployment increasing since 2022. Sounds like it might work itself out? No. Partially because these are high stress jobs and not everyone is willing to take them - and honestly, no one should become a nurse or a teacher if they don't want to, because the damage potential is so high, partially because becoming a teacher takes a lot of study and in the US it carries the non-insignificant chance of getting shot.

Our_Benefactors 2y ago
> and in the US it carries the non-insignificant chance of getting shot. Oh brother. Citation fucking needed. Show me statistics that support your claim that a teacher is more likely to be a victim of homicide than a member of the general population.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  Well, given that firearm-related deaths are the top cause of child mortality in the US, that there have been 139 shootings in schools just this year (that isn't even over yet...) [2] and there's about 115.000 schools in the US [3] it's about a 0.12% chance that any given teacher's school is about to be the site of a massacre in the US in a given year. That definitely fits my claim of a non-insignificant chance of getting shot, and in any case it should be zero - children should not fear getting shot to the point that 95% of schools have to hold (some even mandated by law...) regular active-shooter drills that end up traumatizing a truckload of children [6]. THESE DRILLS ONLY EXIST IN THE USA among civilized, developed countries ffs. Other countries may hold drills for natural disasters such as earthquakes, there's no chance to avoid that, but shooting drills? Come on! In contrast, there have been about 22.000 murders per year since Covid [5] (a significant uptick) on a population of 345 million people, so the risk of getting murdered is significantly lower for the general population. The risk might be even lower in rural areas but higher in high-crime-in-general areas but seriously I lack the time and will to do a per-county analysis. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 [2] https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds/ https://everytownresearch.org/maps/gunfire-on-school-grounds... [3] https://mdreducation.com/how-many-schools-are-in-the-u-s/ https://mdreducation.com/how-many-schools-are-in-the-u-s/ [4] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-a... [5] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-a... [6] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/29/teachers-call-for-ban-on-shooter-drills-in-us-schools https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/29/teachers-cal...
  - Our_Benefactors 2y ago
    A shooting event in a school does not mean that all teachers were shot. There is a big difference between “something horrible happened at school” and “I was shot”. You cannot manipulate statistics this way. You have not shown that teachers are more likely to be victims of homicide than the general population.