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Other than turning down the speaker, what possible reason could I have to know that it's "too loud"? This reminds me of smart refrigerators that can notify me

Other than turning down the speaker, what possible reason could I have to know that it's "too loud"? This reminds me of smart refrigerators that can notify me when the door is ajar. I'd rather have it constructed so that it just closes automatically. This is the general philosophy anyway. I know that something could be physically obstructing the door. But in that case, I'm more likely to notice a physical alarm than I am to see the notification on some tech device. In that spirit, it seems better to have a speaker that can't be set higher than the "approved" maximum. If this thing is measuring actual sound level rather than set volume, a slow release limiter, either in software or hardware would just make it automatically correct without the whole notification cycle thing.

BalinKing 2y ago
The README says that the tool "adjusts [the speaker's] volume if it exceeds a specified maximum" and that the notification is actually just to let you know that this has been done.
- mulmen 2y ago
  Why would I want to know that?
  - shakna 2y ago
    To answer the question, "Wait, why did my computer just do that!?", that pops up every time it does something unexpected.
    - mulmen 2y ago
      A Sonos speaker isn’t my computer though. This program only does one thing. Turn down Sonos speakers. Why would I want to know that worked? Notifications should be actionable. “The Sonos speaker is too loud” is a sort-of helpful message. I can infer the action. Better is “the Sonos speaker is too loud, you should turn it down”. Even better is “the Sonos speaker is too loud, click here to go to the volume settings”. And better yet is “the Sonos speaker is too loud, should I turn it down?” But best is the program just doing it and shutting up about it. And best of all is just setting the volume limit on the speaker: https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/setting-a-volume-limit-on-sonos-products https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/setting-a-volume-lim....
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      - csallen 2y ago
        Agree that setting a volume limit on the speaker is the best solution. It gives the person operating the speaker immediate feedback: "It doesn't get any louder than this." A program that turns the volume down once a speaker gets too loud is, functionally, the same thing? Assuming the feedback is instant, i.e. it instantly decreases the volume. If there's a delay, however, I can see how a notification might be helpful, if only to alert people, "Hey, this isn't just magically getting quieter. There's a program we've set up that does it."
        mulmen 2y ago
        With API latency there’s a zero percent chance this program responds instantly. According to the README it polls the volume setting every CHECK_INTERVAL seconds. It’s not like this program hooks the volume input event and blocks anything over the max, which is what the actual Sonos setting does. What would be cool is an ambient noise sensor that can turn down the music if a room gets too loud, say from people talking over the music.
      - shakna 2y ago
        You want to know, because someone in management has decided its a problem, and are intentionally taking choice away from you. It isn't meant to be actionable, but a slap on the wrist.
        mulmen 2y ago
        I have never experienced this. Notification fatigue is always engineering’s fault. I have faced my share of micromanagers but nobody has ever told me how to set my notifications.
  - paxys 2y ago
    You may not. Doesn't mean the same preference applies to everyone else in the world.
    - mulmen 2y ago
      How many notifications is too many? Do you want kernel interrupt notifications? At what point do you just let the computer help you?
      - paxys 2y ago
        Read my above comment again. 0 can be too many or a million can be too less. What's the problem with choice?
serf 2y ago
>This reminds me of smart refrigerators that can notify me when the door is ajar. I'd rather have it constructed so that it just closes automatically. a world of liability is escaped by avoiding that feature add. This is similar to why self-closing doors/trunks/hatches took so long to catch on. It wasn't a technology problem, Cadillac and Rolls Royce showed this stuff in the 60s -- it was a liability gamble.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  > a world of liability is escaped by avoiding that feature add Huh? There are no refrigerators that don't have that feature.
  - GavinMcG 2y ago
    “That feature add” referred to auto-closure, I’d imagine.
    - mulmen 2y ago
      Every refrigerator I have used does this with gravity.
      - progval 2y ago
        Perhaps a regional specificity? Personally I've never seen such an auto-closing fridge in France.
        mulmen 2y ago
        It’s nothing special. The fridge is just leveled so the hinge is slightly higher on both sides. The door then naturally swings closed. Do French refrigerators have some kind of mechanism that would prevent this? Like a latch of some kind?
        progval 2y ago

BalinKing 2y ago

The README says that the tool "adjusts [the speaker's] volume if it exceeds a specified maximum" and that the notification is actually just to let you know that this has been done.

mulmen 2y ago
Why would I want to know that?
- shakna 2y ago
  To answer the question, "Wait, why did my computer just do that!?", that pops up every time it does something unexpected.
  - mulmen 2y ago
    A Sonos speaker isn’t my computer though. This program only does one thing. Turn down Sonos speakers. Why would I want to know that worked? Notifications should be actionable. “The Sonos speaker is too loud” is a sort-of helpful message. I can infer the action. Better is “the Sonos speaker is too loud, you should turn it down”. Even better is “the Sonos speaker is too loud, click here to go to the volume settings”. And better yet is “the Sonos speaker is too loud, should I turn it down?” But best is the program just doing it and shutting up about it. And best of all is just setting the volume limit on the speaker: https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/setting-a-volume-limit-on-sonos-products https://support.sonos.com/en-us/article/setting-a-volume-lim....
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    - csallen 2y ago
      Agree that setting a volume limit on the speaker is the best solution. It gives the person operating the speaker immediate feedback: "It doesn't get any louder than this." A program that turns the volume down once a speaker gets too loud is, functionally, the same thing? Assuming the feedback is instant, i.e. it instantly decreases the volume. If there's a delay, however, I can see how a notification might be helpful, if only to alert people, "Hey, this isn't just magically getting quieter. There's a program we've set up that does it."
      - mulmen 2y ago
        With API latency there’s a zero percent chance this program responds instantly. According to the README it polls the volume setting every CHECK_INTERVAL seconds. It’s not like this program hooks the volume input event and blocks anything over the max, which is what the actual Sonos setting does. What would be cool is an ambient noise sensor that can turn down the music if a room gets too loud, say from people talking over the music.
    - shakna 2y ago
      You want to know, because someone in management has decided its a problem, and are intentionally taking choice away from you. It isn't meant to be actionable, but a slap on the wrist.
      - mulmen 2y ago
        I have never experienced this. Notification fatigue is always engineering’s fault. I have faced my share of micromanagers but nobody has ever told me how to set my notifications.
- paxys 2y ago
  You may not. Doesn't mean the same preference applies to everyone else in the world.
  - mulmen 2y ago
    How many notifications is too many? Do you want kernel interrupt notifications? At what point do you just let the computer help you?
    - paxys 2y ago
      Read my above comment again. 0 can be too many or a million can be too less. What's the problem with choice?

serf 2y ago

>This reminds me of smart refrigerators that can notify me when the door is ajar. I'd rather have it constructed so that it just closes automatically. a world of liability is escaped by avoiding that feature add. This is similar to why self-closing doors/trunks/hatches took so long to catch on. It wasn't a technology problem, Cadillac and Rolls Royce showed this stuff in the 60s -- it was a liability gamble.

thaumasiotes 2y ago
> a world of liability is escaped by avoiding that feature add Huh? There are no refrigerators that don't have that feature.
- GavinMcG 2y ago
  “That feature add” referred to auto-closure, I’d imagine.
  - mulmen 2y ago
    Every refrigerator I have used does this with gravity.
    - progval 2y ago
      Perhaps a regional specificity? Personally I've never seen such an auto-closing fridge in France.
      - mulmen 2y ago
        It’s nothing special. The fridge is just leveled so the hinge is slightly higher on both sides. The door then naturally swings closed. Do French refrigerators have some kind of mechanism that would prevent this? Like a latch of some kind?
        progval 2y ago