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> But this generation of video cards provides a couple of other justifications for the purchase - it will allow them to run uncensored ML stacks locally It doe
by drtgh 2y ago
> But this generation of video cards provides a couple of other justifications for the purchase - it will allow them to run uncensored ML stacks locally
It does not. They will/are reselling exactly the same graphics cards that have been sold for the last ten years; the same computing capacity (and a modest increase for their top model), with very limited RAM, at very high prices.
They simply changed the silicon manufacturing process to smaller nodes without achieving a meaningful reduction in power consumption with respect to the previous generation, they still being high-consuming energy wasters heat generators.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoFlimsy justifications can be flimsy. The same justifications sold lots of 20X0 and 30X0 generation cards too.
- drtgh 2y agoPeople simply take the marketing bait when a simple spreadsheet of 20X0, 30X0, 40X0, 50X0 GPU specifications (cores/shader units, tensor, rt) plus memory bandwidth reveals that they are just reselling the same computing capacity as they have been for the last ten years, just with smaller manufacturing nodes. A RTX 5060 with 4352 Su, I bet will be a RTX 4060 Ti AD107 with 4352 Su, the same as a RTX 2080 Ti TU102 with 4352 Su, all ones with Mem-Bus 128 bit. Just smaller manufacturing nodes with name change.
- colonelspace 2y ago3D rendering engine benchmarks suggest what you're saying is nonsense.
- drtgh 2y agoTen years of graphics card hardware tested and ranked https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html RTX 4070 Ti is a RTX 3090 Ti RTX 4070 is a RTX 3080 RTX 4060 Ti is a RTX 2080 Ti and RTX 3070 RTX 4060 is a RTX 2080 and RTX 3060 Ti RTX 4050 is a GTX 1080 Ti , RTX 2070 SUPER, RTX 3060 It is not difficult to see the pattern, just look at the GPU specifications, it is not a coincidence, and it is quite predictable. The manufacturer is just playing with disabling cores. It is not new, Nvidia has always done this. Initially, longer than a decade ago, limiting the GPU through drivers, but someone found a way to hack it, so the manufacturer started limiting the GPU by hardware at the factory. The same thing happened when people started putting vRAM in themselves and the manufacturer restricted it again on following models.
- colonelspace 2y agoWell sure, current generation mid-range performs like previous generation high end. That's a tech product truism. > they are just reselling the same computing capacity as they have been for the last ten years I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say here, but as far as I can tell a 4090 offers quite a bit more "computing capacity" than a Titan RTX, and that's just over five years ago. > RTX 4060 is a RTX 2080 Probably, but I just put one in a small desktop for $280, not the $700 a 2080 cost new. So, yeah they're selling the same stuff, it just costs less.
- drtgh 2y ago>I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say here What I'm trying to say is that they're deceiving customers year after year about costs and computing capacity. It was supporting my comment six messages above: >>> But this generation of video cards provides a couple of other justifications for the purchase - it will allow them to run uncensored ML stacks locally >> It does not. They will/are reselling exactly the same graphics cards that have been sold for the last ten years; the same computing capacity (and a modest increase for their top model), with very limited RAM, at very high prices.
- colonelspace 2y ago> they're deceiving customers year after year about costs and computing capacity > a modest increase for their top model ... limited RAM, at very high prices Yes, I see your point, and agree. There are far too many products in the range, and the consumer cards seem to be intentionally hampered to protect their professional / studio card business. eg. huge unnecessary 3-slot cooling arrangement on 3090/4090.