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I don’t think we’re going to solve climate change, we’re just not moving in that direction, like you said there’s unwillingness. Going anti-climate is not going

I don’t think we’re going to solve climate change, we’re just not moving in that direction, like you said there’s unwillingness. Going anti-climate is not going to foster democracy though, the people who are working to end democracy are also advocating for ignoring climate change. My opinion is that we need more democracy. The people who are most impacted by climate change, the poor and the youth, have the least influence on the issue. If they had a bigger voice, we’d be making different decisions.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
> My opinion is that we need more democracy. The people who are most impacted by climate change, the poor and the youth, have the least influence on the issue. If they had a bigger voice, we’d be making different decisions. But that isn't democracy then, right? Equal votes is the problem, when younger and future stakeholders should have a greater vote and say vs those who will not be around much longer or the wealthy (who generate outsized emissions [1] and a component of their wealth are fossil fuels based [2]). Unaccounted carbon emissions from consumption are our time's bread and circus, racking up the credit card and dumping the liability on future humans. Imagine telling anyone over 60-70 or anyone near the top of the wealth spectrum they shouldn't get a vote in climate related matters. So instead, you have to just wait for them to age out, while you make whatever progress you can day by day. Or a version of a representative democracy where the longer you'll be here, the greater the vote you get. "No taxation without representation." if you will. The future having to pay for the past's lack of will to reduce carbon emissions is taxation, and the cost is going to be enormous [3] [4] [5]. [1] https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-emit-much-planet-heating-pollution-two-thirds-humanity https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-emit-much-... [2] https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/23/only-the-super-wealthy-stand-to-lose-money-from-shutting-down-fossil-fuels-study-finds https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/23/only-the-super-wea... [3] https://apnews.com/5949adfa46b84ee9aa28369f9c050e18 https://apnews.com/5949adfa46b84ee9aa28369f9c050e18 [4] https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-damage-economy-income-costly-3e21addee3fe328f38b771645e237ff9 https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-damage-economy-inc... [5] https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/ICF-CR-Cost-of-Climate-Change-Study.pdf https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2024...

toomuchtodo 2y ago

> My opinion is that we need more democracy. The people who are most impacted by climate change, the poor and the youth, have the least influence on the issue. If they had a bigger voice, we’d be making different decisions. But that isn't democracy then, right? Equal votes is the problem, when younger and future stakeholders should have a greater vote and say vs those who will not be around much longer or the wealthy (who generate outsized emissions [1] and a component of their wealth are fossil fuels based [2]). Unaccounted carbon emissions from consumption are our time's bread and circus, racking up the credit card and dumping the liability on future humans. Imagine telling anyone over 60-70 or anyone near the top of the wealth spectrum they shouldn't get a vote in climate related matters. So instead, you have to just wait for them to age out, while you make whatever progress you can day by day. Or a version of a representative democracy where the longer you'll be here, the greater the vote you get. "No taxation without representation." if you will. The future having to pay for the past's lack of will to reduce carbon emissions is taxation, and the cost is going to be enormous [3] [4] [5]. [1] https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-emit-much-planet-heating-pollution-two-thirds-humanity https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-emit-much-... [2] https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/23/only-the-super-wealthy-stand-to-lose-money-from-shutting-down-fossil-fuels-study-finds https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/23/only-the-super-wea... [3] https://apnews.com/5949adfa46b84ee9aa28369f9c050e18 https://apnews.com/5949adfa46b84ee9aa28369f9c050e18 [4] https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-damage-economy-income-costly-3e21addee3fe328f38b771645e237ff9 https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-damage-economy-inc... [5] https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/ICF-CR-Cost-of-Climate-Change-Study.pdf https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2024...