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It's not like WP-Engine isn't trying to explain things in their favour. I once had someone strategically edit and delete some of their GitHub comments to make

by arp242 2y ago

It's not like WP-Engine isn't trying to explain things in their favour. I once had someone strategically edit and delete some of their GitHub comments to make me look like an asshole (before GitHub showed you this). Their only motivation was "revenge" for denying a feature request (after which they got all pissy, I told him off, and then a few months later he edited things to make it look like I was being highly abrasive to random people). What I'm trying to say is: I wouldn't be so quick to trust a one-sided limited set of screenshots from various conversations. Maybe Mullenweg is the "bad guy" here, I don't know, but even if he is that doesn't automatically mean WP Engine are the good guys, or that everything they say is spinless truth. I'll also add that Mullenweg's communications and actions mostly come across as rash and without much thought. Certainly not polished spin.

runjake 2y ago
> I wouldn't be so quick to trust a one-sided limited set of screenshots from various conversations. I am/was a Matt fan but the texts strike me as clearly passive-aggressive and threatening and inappropriate. To me, anyway. He's always portrayed this "kind monk" persona, but to see him attempt to maintain this persona while also spewing fairly poisonous rhetoric is really turning me off. > I'll also add that Mullenweg's communications and actions mostly come across as rash and without much thought. Certainly not polished spin. 100% agree and it's surprising, given what I know about him. These incidents are making me wonder if Matt is having other stressors in his life right now. He just recently got back from a self-described sabbatical.
- arp242 2y ago
  > the texts strike me as clearly passive-aggressive and threatening and inappropriate. To me, anyway. I agree. My point was that we only see the texts WP-Engine wants us to see, rather than the full conversation. For example something like this: "Matt: Hi there! I'd like to discuss the possibility of WP-Engine contributing back more developers to the WordPress codebase; right now I feel you contribute back very little relative to your income, and we could really use some help on WordPress" "WP-Engine: Fuck off you twat" Would of course put Mullenweg's communications in a rather different light. Or maybe Mullenweg really is just going off the rails. I don't know... But I'd be careful to judge too quickly without all the facts. Whatever can be said about Mullenweg's communications, that Cease & Desist from WP-Engine also did not impress me and seemed more like a blogpost by their CEO rather than a legitimate legal complaint written by legal professionals.

by arp242 2y ago

runjake 2y ago

> I wouldn't be so quick to trust a one-sided limited set of screenshots from various conversations. I am/was a Matt fan but the texts strike me as clearly passive-aggressive and threatening and inappropriate. To me, anyway. He's always portrayed this "kind monk" persona, but to see him attempt to maintain this persona while also spewing fairly poisonous rhetoric is really turning me off. > I'll also add that Mullenweg's communications and actions mostly come across as rash and without much thought. Certainly not polished spin. 100% agree and it's surprising, given what I know about him. These incidents are making me wonder if Matt is having other stressors in his life right now. He just recently got back from a self-described sabbatical.

arp242 2y ago
> the texts strike me as clearly passive-aggressive and threatening and inappropriate. To me, anyway. I agree. My point was that we only see the texts WP-Engine wants us to see, rather than the full conversation. For example something like this: "Matt: Hi there! I'd like to discuss the possibility of WP-Engine contributing back more developers to the WordPress codebase; right now I feel you contribute back very little relative to your income, and we could really use some help on WordPress" "WP-Engine: Fuck off you twat" Would of course put Mullenweg's communications in a rather different light. Or maybe Mullenweg really is just going off the rails. I don't know... But I'd be careful to judge too quickly without all the facts. Whatever can be said about Mullenweg's communications, that Cease & Desist from WP-Engine also did not impress me and seemed more like a blogpost by their CEO rather than a legitimate legal complaint written by legal professionals.