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But why? I mean, just put each prisoner in a separate cell, why would you need more than 1 employee per 20-50 prisoners? Ok, maybe 3, for 24 hour rotation... Ma

by tomp 2y ago

But why? I mean, just put each prisoner in a separate cell, why would you need more than 1 employee per 20-50 prisoners? Ok, maybe 3, for 24 hour rotation... Make sure you never unlock more than a single cell, and keep guns, lots of guns.

potato3732842 2y ago
>But why? Low key jobs program at the expense of taxpayers IMO.
Loudergood 2y ago
7 Days a week, vacation/sick coverage, facilities/food/admin
pcwalton 2y ago
You need lots of doctors, especially with an aging prison population. Doctors aren't cheap. Not to mention the cost of medicine, which can get very expensive when you consider things like end stage cancer drugs for elderly prisoners who can't be released because they're serving LWOP, and it all must be paid for by the state. Or consider institution GED classes. You might say, those can easily go on the chopping block to save some money. But then you end up with inmates who are released without a high school diploma and, lacking educational opportunities, are more likely to return to crime. Then they go back into the prison system where they use more state resources than if they had just been given education in the first place. It's easy to imagine scenarios in which programs like that are worthwhile in the long term purely for fiscal reasons even if you care 0% about the welfare of criminals themselves.
- tomp 2y ago
  I don’t get it. Sounds like all the things the state would offer anyways - education and healthcare for poor people…
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Yeah but in a prison it's more difficult to use bureaucracy and shame to stop people from utilizing those services.
- sokoloff 2y ago
  Prisoners should have access to healthcare and education at a similar level as provided for the general population. Other than security-related cost increases, the government is already bearing those costs.
  - Retric 2y ago
    Prisons can’t cheaply leverage the normal healthcare system. Sending someone to a dentist / hospital etc requires they remain unable to escape through the entire process which inherently adds overhead. Having healthcare workers on staff creates mismatches between their workload and the size of the prison population.

by tomp 2y ago

potato3732842 2y ago

>But why? Low key jobs program at the expense of taxpayers IMO.

Loudergood 2y ago

7 Days a week, vacation/sick coverage, facilities/food/admin

pcwalton 2y ago

You need lots of doctors, especially with an aging prison population. Doctors aren't cheap. Not to mention the cost of medicine, which can get very expensive when you consider things like end stage cancer drugs for elderly prisoners who can't be released because they're serving LWOP, and it all must be paid for by the state. Or consider institution GED classes. You might say, those can easily go on the chopping block to save some money. But then you end up with inmates who are released without a high school diploma and, lacking educational opportunities, are more likely to return to crime. Then they go back into the prison system where they use more state resources than if they had just been given education in the first place. It's easy to imagine scenarios in which programs like that are worthwhile in the long term purely for fiscal reasons even if you care 0% about the welfare of criminals themselves.

tomp 2y ago
I don’t get it. Sounds like all the things the state would offer anyways - education and healthcare for poor people…
- chefandy 2y ago
  Yeah but in a prison it's more difficult to use bureaucracy and shame to stop people from utilizing those services.
sokoloff 2y ago
Prisoners should have access to healthcare and education at a similar level as provided for the general population. Other than security-related cost increases, the government is already bearing those costs.
- Retric 2y ago
  Prisons can’t cheaply leverage the normal healthcare system. Sending someone to a dentist / hospital etc requires they remain unable to escape through the entire process which inherently adds overhead. Having healthcare workers on staff creates mismatches between their workload and the size of the prison population.