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I expect to see more and more written on this topic as we fall deeper into late stage capitalism. Open source is how software developers are conditioned and so

by bsnnkv 2y ago

I expect to see more and more written on this topic as we fall deeper into late stage capitalism. Open source is how software developers are conditioned and socialized into participating in their own exploitation under capitalism.

diggan 2y ago
> Open source is how software developers are conditioned and socialized into participating in their own exploitation under capitalism. Feel free to expand on this, as I don't understand how putting a MIT license on my projects contribute to "my own exploitation under capitalism", and I'd generally call myself an anti-capitalist so I'm missing something here.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  Corporations have the capability to make 1.000.000x more money with your code than you and they won't give you a penny. You don't seem to care, up to you. But some people are soured by it, that's up to them, no?
  - diggan 2y ago
    I don't see how that ends up exploiting me? The scenario is something like: I wrote a library, put a MIT license on it and made the code public. A corporation found this library, built something with it and earns a billion dollars every month, and somehow this is exploiting me? I explicitly gave code away, for free, for people to use for whatever they want, so what happens beyond the code I wrote, I couldn't care less about. To me it sounds like a bunch of people got sour about something they did, but didn't fully understand the scope of. I mean, you gave something away for free without asking for anything back, but then you see companies make money from it so now you want a piece?
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  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    So use AGPL
HKH2 2y ago
What about open source users? Haven't they been liberated from exploitation somewhat due to the work of open source developers?
- meiraleal 2y ago
  > What about open source users? You mean Big Tech and startups? Totally liberated. Yeah. So much that now they are developing AI tools to remove developers from the equation using open source software :)
  - senko 2y ago
    I write this from Firefox running under Debian GNU/Linux. The computer I write is on was purchased out of income I got from (from other things) creating programs in Python, using Django web framework, and deploying them alongside Nginx. Firefox, Debian, Linux, GNU stack, Python, Django, Nginx ... all are open source (and so are hundreds or thousands of other software parts I use daily). I, personally, have immensely benefted from open source and free software. So have uncounted millions of other people, including, most likely, you.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    No like me, I run Linux at home Not everyone chooses to be liberated but I do
  - HKH2 2y ago
    Inkscape and Krita users are not exploited by Adobe, LibreOffice users are not exploited by Microsoft, and so on. There are plenty of regular users who use open source software to avoid monopolies and abuse.

by bsnnkv 2y ago

diggan 2y ago

> Open source is how software developers are conditioned and socialized into participating in their own exploitation under capitalism. Feel free to expand on this, as I don't understand how putting a MIT license on my projects contribute to "my own exploitation under capitalism", and I'd generally call myself an anti-capitalist so I'm missing something here.

meiraleal 2y ago
Corporations have the capability to make 1.000.000x more money with your code than you and they won't give you a penny. You don't seem to care, up to you. But some people are soured by it, that's up to them, no?
- diggan 2y ago
  I don't see how that ends up exploiting me? The scenario is something like: I wrote a library, put a MIT license on it and made the code public. A corporation found this library, built something with it and earns a billion dollars every month, and somehow this is exploiting me? I explicitly gave code away, for free, for people to use for whatever they want, so what happens beyond the code I wrote, I couldn't care less about. To me it sounds like a bunch of people got sour about something they did, but didn't fully understand the scope of. I mean, you gave something away for free without asking for anything back, but then you see companies make money from it so now you want a piece?
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- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  So use AGPL

HKH2 2y ago

What about open source users? Haven't they been liberated from exploitation somewhat due to the work of open source developers?

meiraleal 2y ago
> What about open source users? You mean Big Tech and startups? Totally liberated. Yeah. So much that now they are developing AI tools to remove developers from the equation using open source software :)
- senko 2y ago
  I write this from Firefox running under Debian GNU/Linux. The computer I write is on was purchased out of income I got from (from other things) creating programs in Python, using Django web framework, and deploying them alongside Nginx. Firefox, Debian, Linux, GNU stack, Python, Django, Nginx ... all are open source (and so are hundreds or thousands of other software parts I use daily). I, personally, have immensely benefted from open source and free software. So have uncounted millions of other people, including, most likely, you.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  No like me, I run Linux at home Not everyone chooses to be liberated but I do
- HKH2 2y ago
  Inkscape and Krita users are not exploited by Adobe, LibreOffice users are not exploited by Microsoft, and so on. There are plenty of regular users who use open source software to avoid monopolies and abuse.