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I have nothing against gambling as a libertarian, but I don’t want to be liable for people who made poor life choices. I don’t want to pay for the welfare of pe

by valval 2y ago

I have nothing against gambling as a libertarian, but I don’t want to be liable for people who made poor life choices. I don’t want to pay for the welfare of people who ruined their financials or health, nor do I want to look at homeless people on my commute. If what we’re going to have is a society where I’m paying for the housing and health care of other people, I’d like to be able to dictate with an iron fist what the other people are allowed to do and be.

misja111 2y ago
How about alcohol consumption? That surely ruins a lot of lives as well and causes loads of health issues.
- valval 2y ago
  Yes, the exact same reasoning applies to my stance on alcohol and all self-harming behavior. Did you really have to ask?
Meniceses 2y ago
This is a really great: You don't mind when companies optimize for making money even if a company makes other people addicted to gambling or similiar things but then you don't want to help these people because its the peoples fault. You know why you think like this? Because you are, by accident, on the side which benefits most of libertarianism. You really think a human becomes homeless because of 'poor life choices'? No. They become homeless because they never got a chance, have neurological issues, bad parents, bad upbringing, whatever. Its a lot easier to be a libertarian when you won the birth lottery... Man you are ignorant
- valval 2y ago
  The company doesn’t make individuals do anything. You have power over yourself, and trying to shift blame is the most naive idiocy present in human nature. You represent exactly that. Also yes, a large enough majority of homeless people got so because of poor life choices that the minority that didn’t isn’t even worth bringing up. You’re also entirely correct that some people are destined for more success than others due to predetermined factors. That’s absolutely fine.
  - CatWChainsaw 2y ago
    "Facebook didn't MAKE you use its services, it just employed an army of psychologists and coders to make the app as addictive as possible, so get fucked for being weak-willed."
    - valval 2y ago
      You got it. Your worldview might next have you turn around and write about the poor job market for psychologists and coders in another discussion.
      - CatWChainsaw 2y ago
        Props for sticking to your guns but also fuck you.

by valval 2y ago

misja111 2y ago

How about alcohol consumption? That surely ruins a lot of lives as well and causes loads of health issues.

valval 2y ago
Yes, the exact same reasoning applies to my stance on alcohol and all self-harming behavior. Did you really have to ask?

Meniceses 2y ago

This is a really great: You don't mind when companies optimize for making money even if a company makes other people addicted to gambling or similiar things but then you don't want to help these people because its the peoples fault. You know why you think like this? Because you are, by accident, on the side which benefits most of libertarianism. You really think a human becomes homeless because of 'poor life choices'? No. They become homeless because they never got a chance, have neurological issues, bad parents, bad upbringing, whatever. Its a lot easier to be a libertarian when you won the birth lottery... Man you are ignorant

valval 2y ago
The company doesn’t make individuals do anything. You have power over yourself, and trying to shift blame is the most naive idiocy present in human nature. You represent exactly that. Also yes, a large enough majority of homeless people got so because of poor life choices that the minority that didn’t isn’t even worth bringing up. You’re also entirely correct that some people are destined for more success than others due to predetermined factors. That’s absolutely fine.
- CatWChainsaw 2y ago
  "Facebook didn't MAKE you use its services, it just employed an army of psychologists and coders to make the app as addictive as possible, so get fucked for being weak-willed."
  - valval 2y ago
    You got it. Your worldview might next have you turn around and write about the poor job market for psychologists and coders in another discussion.
    - CatWChainsaw 2y ago
      Props for sticking to your guns but also fuck you.