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Eclipse Juno released

90 points by Eduard 14y ago

Evbn 14y ago
That's the fakest looking homepage I have seen recently. If I didn't already trust Eclipse I wouldn't start now.
ak217 14y ago
Really looking forward to switching to this. My 3.7 setup has been acting up (most annoyingly, pydev locks it up because of race conditions in the builder).
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duiker101 14y ago
Uhm there has been quite a few IDE release in the last days, Eclipse, Sublime Text, Light Table Cloud9... i have to spend some time to try them all...
- xcallmejudasx 14y ago
  I haven't done any large projects in Sublime Text but it's definitely my go-to editor now for looking over code in any language or putting together scripts and short bits of code. It has a ton of cool keyboard shortcuts and syntax hi-lighting for a couple dozen languages. I would definitely recommend playing around with it and seeing how you like it. My only complaint is that it didn't support SaSS hi-lighting so when I was learning web design I'd get funky half CSS hi-lighting.
  - GeneralMaximus 14y ago
    I don't know how long ago you tried Sublime, but right now there are two different SASS packages in the Package Control[1] repo. [1] http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control
- moskie 14y ago
  Should add the Visual Studio 2012 RC to that list.
dlikhten 14y ago
Dangit where is the Ruby editor in eclipse that has refactoring support. Combined with eclim and you got yourself a vim-based ruby ide!!!!
- swanson 14y ago
  RubyMine?
  - duiker101 14y ago
    RubyMine costs money, not that it's bad thing, it's just different.
wiradikusuma 14y ago
I used to be an Eclipse fanboy, until a colleague introduced me to IntelliJ. Then I never look back :) To be fair, it was (is?) the most lightweight free Java IDE around, compared to JBuilder and NetBeans.
- ak217 14y ago
  IntelliJ is an IDE. Eclipse is a platform :) Being able to use Eclipse for complex multi-language projects and have it offer intelligent IDE functionality for all of them is amazing. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the Eclipse ecosystem.
  - eropple 14y ago
    I think you're selling IntelliJ very short. IDEA is a pretty encompassing platform, too. It does PHP better than PDT, for one, and I haven't found better Python support than what you get as part of PyCharm (which is available as part of IDEA--their Ruby support is too, though I don't write Ruby myself). And in the Java world, its first-class support for Maven and Gradle make me a lot happier than wrestling with stuff like m2eclipse. About the only thing that I thought was better in Eclipse last I used it was C/C++. CDT is great in comparison. But I'd rather use Visual Studio if I need to write C++.
- jeremiep 14y ago
  I used to be an Eclipse fanboy, until I fell on http://steve-yegge.blogspot.ca/2007/01/pinocchio-problem.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.ca/2007/01/pinocchio-problem.htm... :) Emacs is now my editor of choice, teaching me Emacs-Lisp to customize it was even quite enlightening. My only regret is having spent 10 years in "modern" IDEs while Emacs was there all along to double my productivity! So far every convert at work loves it :)
feronull 14y ago
It took me 6 pages to go to the download link...
- hjalle 14y ago
  I'm not doubting that it took you 6 pages to find the download link, but clickling Download and then choosing the version is just two clicks
- Garbage 14y ago
  Just to help you out - http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
thechut 14y ago
Anybody used this with the Android SDK yet?
- tuananh 14y ago
  I can't seem to install ADT plugin. it just stops at fetching...
- chown 14y ago
  Installs just fine (at least for me). Just updated to latest Jelly Beans SDK (API v 16) and everything went smooth.
_debug_ 14y ago
Am I the only one who is as excited about new releases of Eclipse as Apple fans are about new Apple products? I just love the combination of the static typing and huge class library of Java and the amazing tooling that Eclipse delivers. I know, I know, oh, the verbosity. JDK8's lambdas look quite sweet, and should help a lot with that. http://openjdk.java.net/projects/lambda/ http://openjdk.java.net/projects/lambda/
- functionform 14y ago
  Nope, I'm always there on day 1 also :D. They always do such a great job, I'm always around poking installing/trying out new enhancements and sub projects for at least a week.
- mahyarm 14y ago
  Eclipse also doesn't die indexing large C++ projects, with 2MB auto generated protobuf header files, unlike xcode.
- runT1ME 14y ago
  I don't understand why people are excited for JDK8(!!!)s lambdas when you can have all that and more with Scala right now...
  - tsotha 14y ago
    Well, Java lambdas will allow people to get rid of all that clunky boilerplate around anonymous classes without having to learn a whole new language.
    - runT1ME 14y ago
      To me Scala isn't a whole new language, it's java with extra stuff (except the variable names/types are reversed).
      - soc88 14y ago
        Ouch.
kombine 14y ago
I am a C++ coder and my experience with IDEs is almost limited to Qt Creator - my tool of choice. I also use Visual Studio every now and again and it is all right too. I recently had to use Eclipse for the Blackberry 10 development. And boy, what a horrible, crippled environment it is! In Qt Creator I can navigate around my code in seconds thanks to an awesome locator feature. I can quickly jump to any file, class, function anywhere in the project - all through the same interface. Not to mention that being written in C++ Creator is lightning fast. Eclipse is slow to navigate in code and it is just slow. It may be a good platform and a good IDE for Java, but I'd avoid using it if I could. Besides I've always heard about how good IntelliJ is, which probably indicates that there is something wrong with freely available Java IDEs.
- forgotAgain 14y ago
  I used to share a lot of the views you state but then something happened. I took the time to go through the tutorials and help docs that came with Eclipse. Looking back I think my biggest problem was that Eclipse wasn't what I was used to. At the time I was a Visual Studio user. I think sub-consciously I wanted to be using what I was used to and blamed Eclipse for being different.
- hurr 14y ago
  I used to hate Eclipse with a passion. Eventually, I read a small poll and 43% of the voters voted Eclipse as their favourite IDE (Intelij, Netbeans, Visual Studio, etc. were on the poll too). I decided to give Eclipse a try and it took a while, but it's my favourite IDE now. For C++, I think the CDT for Eclipse gets all the value add features right (ie. Implement Method, New Class and Outline. Although Visual Studio used to be my primary IDE, I now have a hard time navigating it and I feel like I'm missing all my favourite features. I guess it's just what we're used to.
cemerick 14y ago
Is there any sane way to upgrade a 3.x installation to 4.x? The last thing I need is to spend a couple of hours reinstalling and re-tweaking plugins and such.
mtraven 14y ago
Eclipse always struck me as kind of Junoesque.
benmccann 14y ago
Anyone know how I install egit with Juno?
- benmccann 14y ago
  Just saw the answer on another HN thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4168959 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4168959
bfung 14y ago
I haven't used eclipse in awhile, release notes: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.2-201206081400/news/ http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.2-2...
steveneo 14y ago
this is horrible release, buggy, ugly, fast view bar gone. If it is new eclipse, I will switch to Intellij although I use eclipse over 10 years.
cemartins 14y ago
I installed juno RC1, RC3... and was counting the seconds to installing the release version on the 28th! But now, after installing and using it in full power for a few days, I am a bit disappointed with the slow response: I have a few java sources open and a few hibernate mappins as well, and eclipse seems to freeze and take an enormous amount of time to switch between tabs... I have a lenovo thinkCentre with 4GB so I don't think the problem is the hardware... plus, this never used to be so slow with eclipse Indigo... Anyone else having the same problem?
- pisipisipisi 14y ago
  Same here. A decent machine with lots of available resources, and drawing the screen when switching workspaces on Linux, takes around 3 times more than with 3.7.2. And the "glossy" menu bar also disturbs me. Switching back to 3.7...

90 points by Eduard 14y ago

Evbn 14y ago

That's the fakest looking homepage I have seen recently. If I didn't already trust Eclipse I wouldn't start now.

ak217 14y ago

Really looking forward to switching to this. My 3.7 setup has been acting up (most annoyingly, pydev locks it up because of race conditions in the builder).

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duiker101 14y ago

Uhm there has been quite a few IDE release in the last days, Eclipse, Sublime Text, Light Table Cloud9... i have to spend some time to try them all...

xcallmejudasx 14y ago
I haven't done any large projects in Sublime Text but it's definitely my go-to editor now for looking over code in any language or putting together scripts and short bits of code. It has a ton of cool keyboard shortcuts and syntax hi-lighting for a couple dozen languages. I would definitely recommend playing around with it and seeing how you like it. My only complaint is that it didn't support SaSS hi-lighting so when I was learning web design I'd get funky half CSS hi-lighting.
- GeneralMaximus 14y ago
  I don't know how long ago you tried Sublime, but right now there are two different SASS packages in the Package Control[1] repo. [1] http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control http://wbond.net/sublime_packages/package_control
moskie 14y ago
Should add the Visual Studio 2012 RC to that list.

dlikhten 14y ago

Dangit where is the Ruby editor in eclipse that has refactoring support. Combined with eclim and you got yourself a vim-based ruby ide!!!!

swanson 14y ago
RubyMine?
- duiker101 14y ago
  RubyMine costs money, not that it's bad thing, it's just different.

wiradikusuma 14y ago

I used to be an Eclipse fanboy, until a colleague introduced me to IntelliJ. Then I never look back :) To be fair, it was (is?) the most lightweight free Java IDE around, compared to JBuilder and NetBeans.

ak217 14y ago
IntelliJ is an IDE. Eclipse is a platform :) Being able to use Eclipse for complex multi-language projects and have it offer intelligent IDE functionality for all of them is amazing. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the Eclipse ecosystem.
- eropple 14y ago
  I think you're selling IntelliJ very short. IDEA is a pretty encompassing platform, too. It does PHP better than PDT, for one, and I haven't found better Python support than what you get as part of PyCharm (which is available as part of IDEA--their Ruby support is too, though I don't write Ruby myself). And in the Java world, its first-class support for Maven and Gradle make me a lot happier than wrestling with stuff like m2eclipse. About the only thing that I thought was better in Eclipse last I used it was C/C++. CDT is great in comparison. But I'd rather use Visual Studio if I need to write C++.
jeremiep 14y ago
I used to be an Eclipse fanboy, until I fell on http://steve-yegge.blogspot.ca/2007/01/pinocchio-problem.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.ca/2007/01/pinocchio-problem.htm... :) Emacs is now my editor of choice, teaching me Emacs-Lisp to customize it was even quite enlightening. My only regret is having spent 10 years in "modern" IDEs while Emacs was there all along to double my productivity! So far every convert at work loves it :)

feronull 14y ago

It took me 6 pages to go to the download link...

hjalle 14y ago
I'm not doubting that it took you 6 pages to find the download link, but clickling Download and then choosing the version is just two clicks
Garbage 14y ago
Just to help you out - http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/

thechut 14y ago

Anybody used this with the Android SDK yet?

tuananh 14y ago
I can't seem to install ADT plugin. it just stops at fetching...
chown 14y ago
Installs just fine (at least for me). Just updated to latest Jelly Beans SDK (API v 16) and everything went smooth.

_debug_ 14y ago

Am I the only one who is as excited about new releases of Eclipse as Apple fans are about new Apple products? I just love the combination of the static typing and huge class library of Java and the amazing tooling that Eclipse delivers. I know, I know, oh, the verbosity. JDK8's lambdas look quite sweet, and should help a lot with that. http://openjdk.java.net/projects/lambda/ http://openjdk.java.net/projects/lambda/

functionform 14y ago
Nope, I'm always there on day 1 also :D. They always do such a great job, I'm always around poking installing/trying out new enhancements and sub projects for at least a week.
mahyarm 14y ago
Eclipse also doesn't die indexing large C++ projects, with 2MB auto generated protobuf header files, unlike xcode.
runT1ME 14y ago
I don't understand why people are excited for JDK8(!!!)s lambdas when you can have all that and more with Scala right now...
- tsotha 14y ago
  Well, Java lambdas will allow people to get rid of all that clunky boilerplate around anonymous classes without having to learn a whole new language.
  - runT1ME 14y ago
    To me Scala isn't a whole new language, it's java with extra stuff (except the variable names/types are reversed).
    - soc88 14y ago
      Ouch.

kombine 14y ago

I am a C++ coder and my experience with IDEs is almost limited to Qt Creator - my tool of choice. I also use Visual Studio every now and again and it is all right too. I recently had to use Eclipse for the Blackberry 10 development. And boy, what a horrible, crippled environment it is! In Qt Creator I can navigate around my code in seconds thanks to an awesome locator feature. I can quickly jump to any file, class, function anywhere in the project - all through the same interface. Not to mention that being written in C++ Creator is lightning fast. Eclipse is slow to navigate in code and it is just slow. It may be a good platform and a good IDE for Java, but I'd avoid using it if I could. Besides I've always heard about how good IntelliJ is, which probably indicates that there is something wrong with freely available Java IDEs.

forgotAgain 14y ago
I used to share a lot of the views you state but then something happened. I took the time to go through the tutorials and help docs that came with Eclipse. Looking back I think my biggest problem was that Eclipse wasn't what I was used to. At the time I was a Visual Studio user. I think sub-consciously I wanted to be using what I was used to and blamed Eclipse for being different.
hurr 14y ago
I used to hate Eclipse with a passion. Eventually, I read a small poll and 43% of the voters voted Eclipse as their favourite IDE (Intelij, Netbeans, Visual Studio, etc. were on the poll too). I decided to give Eclipse a try and it took a while, but it's my favourite IDE now. For C++, I think the CDT for Eclipse gets all the value add features right (ie. Implement Method, New Class and Outline. Although Visual Studio used to be my primary IDE, I now have a hard time navigating it and I feel like I'm missing all my favourite features. I guess it's just what we're used to.

cemerick 14y ago

Is there any sane way to upgrade a 3.x installation to 4.x? The last thing I need is to spend a couple of hours reinstalling and re-tweaking plugins and such.

mtraven 14y ago

Eclipse always struck me as kind of Junoesque.

benmccann 14y ago

Anyone know how I install egit with Juno?

benmccann 14y ago
Just saw the answer on another HN thread: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4168959 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4168959

bfung 14y ago

I haven't used eclipse in awhile, release notes: http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.2-201206081400/news/ http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/R-4.2-2...

steveneo 14y ago

this is horrible release, buggy, ugly, fast view bar gone. If it is new eclipse, I will switch to Intellij although I use eclipse over 10 years.

cemartins 14y ago

I installed juno RC1, RC3... and was counting the seconds to installing the release version on the 28th! But now, after installing and using it in full power for a few days, I am a bit disappointed with the slow response: I have a few java sources open and a few hibernate mappins as well, and eclipse seems to freeze and take an enormous amount of time to switch between tabs... I have a lenovo thinkCentre with 4GB so I don't think the problem is the hardware... plus, this never used to be so slow with eclipse Indigo... Anyone else having the same problem?

pisipisipisi 14y ago
Same here. A decent machine with lots of available resources, and drawing the screen when switching workspaces on Linux, takes around 3 times more than with 3.7.2. And the "glossy" menu bar also disturbs me. Switching back to 3.7...