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Warnings do not really work in practice. What if these activities are not simply self-harming but destroy the families of the addict and large parts of the fabr

Warnings do not really work in practice. What if these activities are not simply self-harming but destroy the families of the addict and large parts of the fabric of society? Even you mention societal chaos. How does the libertarian world-view accommodate that?

NovemberWhiskey 2y ago
I tend to believe that warnings are somewhat effective otherwise cigarette manufacturers wouldn’t be so opposed to them.
- dao- 2y ago
  Yes, they would still be opposed to them. A measure could well be somewhat effective on its own, but then it would require the industry to get creative and work extra hard to still get people hooked, which they will do, but they'd rather not have to do it in the first place. What's more, opposition to any type of well intended regulation is typical for harmful industries, even if the regulation might be ineffective. They do that on principle, as they don't want the precedent of getting regulated. The mere idea of having regulations for the benefit of society threatens their business models.
- vkou 2y ago
  They oppose them, because they oppose any first steps on the slope to curtailing them. Warnings serve to ruin their image in the public eye, which makes opposing further control harder. As for gambling, there's a simple solution. Ban all advertising of it. If people really need to gamble, they'll find it on their own. This will dramatically shrink the problem overnight.
nick_ 2y ago
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- tomcam 2y ago
  How so?
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  This is, if anything, the opposite. "I got mine" is when people pull the ladder up after them, e.g. going to the government to pass rules restricting housing construction after they've bought a house and are now interested in raising housing prices through scarcity rather than housing affordability, or the AARP securing healthcare subsidies for affluent retirees by taxing the working poor. It's not obvious how the notion is even relevant to sports betting. The analogous thing would be if some group had made a lot of money betting on sports and then wants to stop anyone else from doing it, but making a lot of money from gambling is not the common case and the libertarian position wouldn't be to stop anybody from doing it regardless.
raverbashing 2y ago
The (naive) libertarian world view wants people overdosing to have different providers bidding for Narcan just-in-time I do favour a libertarian world view but a lot of people using that moniker believe in discussing a mother-child bond through a libertarian point of view

NovemberWhiskey 2y ago

I tend to believe that warnings are somewhat effective otherwise cigarette manufacturers wouldn’t be so opposed to them.

dao- 2y ago
Yes, they would still be opposed to them. A measure could well be somewhat effective on its own, but then it would require the industry to get creative and work extra hard to still get people hooked, which they will do, but they'd rather not have to do it in the first place. What's more, opposition to any type of well intended regulation is typical for harmful industries, even if the regulation might be ineffective. They do that on principle, as they don't want the precedent of getting regulated. The mere idea of having regulations for the benefit of society threatens their business models.
vkou 2y ago
They oppose them, because they oppose any first steps on the slope to curtailing them. Warnings serve to ruin their image in the public eye, which makes opposing further control harder. As for gambling, there's a simple solution. Ban all advertising of it. If people really need to gamble, they'll find it on their own. This will dramatically shrink the problem overnight.

nick_ 2y ago

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tomcam 2y ago
How so?
AnthonyMouse 2y ago
This is, if anything, the opposite. "I got mine" is when people pull the ladder up after them, e.g. going to the government to pass rules restricting housing construction after they've bought a house and are now interested in raising housing prices through scarcity rather than housing affordability, or the AARP securing healthcare subsidies for affluent retirees by taxing the working poor. It's not obvious how the notion is even relevant to sports betting. The analogous thing would be if some group had made a lot of money betting on sports and then wants to stop anyone else from doing it, but making a lot of money from gambling is not the common case and the libertarian position wouldn't be to stop anybody from doing it regardless.

raverbashing 2y ago

The (naive) libertarian world view wants people overdosing to have different providers bidding for Narcan just-in-time I do favour a libertarian world view but a lot of people using that moniker believe in discussing a mother-child bond through a libertarian point of view