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I've always heard people say nationalism is a good thing and globalism is the solution, yet they never have an answer to what do you do when China controls ever

I've always heard people say nationalism is a good thing and globalism is the solution, yet they never have an answer to what do you do when China controls every supply chain and then decides to bulldoze Taiwan and we then go to war with them? All the market advantages and globalism in the world goes out the window and you can't do much more than capitulate to a bully.

naming_the_user 2y ago
Presumably you need to monitor the situation and require that there's a significant enough amount of interdependence. The issue with China is that they don't need the US as much as the US needs them.
mmooss 2y ago
> they never have an answer to what do you do when China controls every supply chain and then decides to bulldoze Taiwan and we then go to war with them? All the market advantages and globalism in the world goes out the window and you can't do much more than capitulate to a bully. That was a complaint many years go, but things have changed dramatically: The US now is 'decoupling' its economy from China, and moving production to friendlier countries, and the US encourages and arranges for allies to do the same. The US and its Pacific allies are also intensely preparing for possible warfare with China. Just because China is not a reliable partner doesn't mean the US should throw out all other partners. Should the US not buy icebreakers from Canada and Finland because of China? That would be greatly hamstrining the US. China's government would love it, I think.
dudefeliciano 2y ago
Who ever said that nationalism is a good thing, apart from nationalists? “Nationalism is an infantile disease, it’s the measles of mankind.” -Albert Einstein
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  The globalists, when it's time to go to war again. The same people who said you are a racist and fascist if you wave the flag have already done about face and now say it's the duty of young men and women to die for their country. "Everybody for themselves, we're individuals" when there's peace and "We're all in this together, you've got to die for your country" when their wealth is threatened.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    You have a point, IMHO, but it doesn't leave room for another group: Humanitarians who believe in human rights as fundamental. That is counter to nationalism (which says the 'nation' is fundemental - the nation being the nationalist powerbrokers); it assumes all have inalienable equal rights, regardless of where political borders are drawn. Sometimes you need to get together and fight for human rights. But even as WWII was going on, Churchill, for example, was IIRC a harsh critic of nationalism.

naming_the_user 2y ago

Presumably you need to monitor the situation and require that there's a significant enough amount of interdependence. The issue with China is that they don't need the US as much as the US needs them.

mmooss 2y ago

> they never have an answer to what do you do when China controls every supply chain and then decides to bulldoze Taiwan and we then go to war with them? All the market advantages and globalism in the world goes out the window and you can't do much more than capitulate to a bully. That was a complaint many years go, but things have changed dramatically: The US now is 'decoupling' its economy from China, and moving production to friendlier countries, and the US encourages and arranges for allies to do the same. The US and its Pacific allies are also intensely preparing for possible warfare with China. Just because China is not a reliable partner doesn't mean the US should throw out all other partners. Should the US not buy icebreakers from Canada and Finland because of China? That would be greatly hamstrining the US. China's government would love it, I think.

dudefeliciano 2y ago

Who ever said that nationalism is a good thing, apart from nationalists? “Nationalism is an infantile disease, it’s the measles of mankind.” -Albert Einstein

carlosjobim 2y ago
The globalists, when it's time to go to war again. The same people who said you are a racist and fascist if you wave the flag have already done about face and now say it's the duty of young men and women to die for their country. "Everybody for themselves, we're individuals" when there's peace and "We're all in this together, you've got to die for your country" when their wealth is threatened.
- mmooss 2y ago
  You have a point, IMHO, but it doesn't leave room for another group: Humanitarians who believe in human rights as fundamental. That is counter to nationalism (which says the 'nation' is fundemental - the nation being the nationalist powerbrokers); it assumes all have inalienable equal rights, regardless of where political borders are drawn. Sometimes you need to get together and fight for human rights. But even as WWII was going on, Churchill, for example, was IIRC a harsh critic of nationalism.