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I try to eat meat to minimize the formula of: cruelty_cow = IntModifier * Animal_Intelligence /(AmountOfProvidedMeat/Deaths) * FrequencyOfEatingThisAnimal Sol

by ep103 2y ago

I try to eat meat to minimize the formula of: cruelty_cow = IntModifier * Animal_Intelligence /(AmountOfProvidedMeat/Deaths) * FrequencyOfEatingThisAnimal Solve for: Min (cruelty_cow + cruelty_pig + cruelty_octopus + ...) Where AmountOfProvidedMeat > NeededMeatForHealthyDiet And Cost * AmountOfProvidedMeat < Food_Budget I've generally found that maximizing on Fish, Chicken, and Cow (in that order) seems to be the best bet. I tend not to touch veal, lamb, or octopus.

baggy_trough 2y ago
A single walrus eats 4500 clams a day so let's hope they are low on pain awareness.
nerdponx 2y ago
One thing to consider about veal is that it's an unavoidable byproduct of the dairy industry. Veal calves do not need to be mistreated to become veal, but the plain fact is that they are also not going to be kept alive either. A male cattle that is not a breeding bull has no economic value until its corpse is processed, barring entertainment uses like rodeo. If you refuse to eat even humane veal (free to roam and milk-fed), then IMO you should refuse dairy entirely. It might also be worth considering that the entire concept of humane dairy is questionable. It depends on separating mothers from calves, and either eating the latter or weaning them at far too young an age, or both. Cows are dumb, but they're not that dumb, and more importantly they are prey mammals with strong "familial" instincts. The process is fundamentally at least somewhat cruel.
Tijdreiziger 2y ago
Modulo some planning and adjusting of recipes, meat is unnecessary for a healthy diet, and a vegan diet tends towards 0 cruelty.
- rickydroll 2y ago
  It all depends on the definition of a healthy diet. I have type II diabetes, and I eat low-carb as much as reasonably possible. A friend with A-fib and gets the best results from the low-fat vegan diet. I have a friend whose partner accumulates iron in her blood, so she does best with a vegetarian diet. If you have kidney disease, you need a diet with specific types of protein and a bioavailability level that you can't entirely get from plants. The human body is an amazing thing that is simultaneously a fucking pain in the ass. There is no "one truth" for food.

by ep103 2y ago

baggy_trough 2y ago

A single walrus eats 4500 clams a day so let's hope they are low on pain awareness.

nerdponx 2y ago

One thing to consider about veal is that it's an unavoidable byproduct of the dairy industry. Veal calves do not need to be mistreated to become veal, but the plain fact is that they are also not going to be kept alive either. A male cattle that is not a breeding bull has no economic value until its corpse is processed, barring entertainment uses like rodeo. If you refuse to eat even humane veal (free to roam and milk-fed), then IMO you should refuse dairy entirely. It might also be worth considering that the entire concept of humane dairy is questionable. It depends on separating mothers from calves, and either eating the latter or weaning them at far too young an age, or both. Cows are dumb, but they're not that dumb, and more importantly they are prey mammals with strong "familial" instincts. The process is fundamentally at least somewhat cruel.

Tijdreiziger 2y ago

Modulo some planning and adjusting of recipes, meat is unnecessary for a healthy diet, and a vegan diet tends towards 0 cruelty.

rickydroll 2y ago
It all depends on the definition of a healthy diet. I have type II diabetes, and I eat low-carb as much as reasonably possible. A friend with A-fib and gets the best results from the low-fat vegan diet. I have a friend whose partner accumulates iron in her blood, so she does best with a vegetarian diet. If you have kidney disease, you need a diet with specific types of protein and a bioavailability level that you can't entirely get from plants. The human body is an amazing thing that is simultaneously a fucking pain in the ass. There is no "one truth" for food.