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Will be wildly ironic if Apple pulls uno reverse card and eats Kotlin on Android instead of the other way around.

airstrike 2y ago
It will also be glorious
pjmlp 2y ago
Except contrary to iOS, on Android the C and C++ surface is very small, and calling JNI is a huge performance bottleneck. Anyone that cares about performance on Android has to write the userspace logic directly in Java or Kotlin, and use Android IPC instead of JNI.
Alupis 2y ago
Outside of Apple's ecosystem, is anyone using Swift? Kotlin is growing in all areas, especially backend (being fully embraced by Spring/Spring Boot et al).
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Spring embraces all JVM languages that can bring them new customers.
  - Alupis 2y ago
    They have gone hard on Kotlin. Very hard. For example, in all of Spring/Boot's documentation, you will find Java and Kotlin examples, but not other JVM languages.
    - wiseowise 2y ago
      Because they’re most likely commercial partners with JetBrains.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      I am old enough to remember when Groovy had similar treatment by Spring.
daghamm 2y ago
Kotlin-Java interoperability is at a completely different level.
fidotron 2y ago
This would happen in about five minutes if a SwiftUI port was included. Which ironically would be just like Flutter, totally bypassing any native UI. My gut feeling is both teams probably have a plan for steamrollering the other in the event of anti monopoly measures forcing each to accept the other store. I.e. it is conceivable you could launch the Play Store on iOS and run a significant proportion of Android apps through a compat layer.
jwells89 2y ago
If Swift were practical to use for Android app development, I would absolutely do so. I enjoy writing Swift more than I do Kotlin by a good measure and not having to wrestle with gradle and proguard would be a nice bonus.
lukeh 2y ago
This [1] is a good place to start! [1] https://github.com/finagolfin/swift-android-sdk https://github.com/finagolfin/swift-android-sdk

It will also be glorious

Except contrary to iOS, on Android the C and C++ surface is very small, and calling JNI is a huge performance bottleneck. Anyone that cares about performance on Android has to write the userspace logic directly in Java or Kotlin, and use Android IPC instead of JNI.

Alupis 2y ago

Outside of Apple's ecosystem, is anyone using Swift? Kotlin is growing in all areas, especially backend (being fully embraced by Spring/Spring Boot et al).

pjmlp 2y ago
Spring embraces all JVM languages that can bring them new customers.
- Alupis 2y ago
  They have gone hard on Kotlin. Very hard. For example, in all of Spring/Boot's documentation, you will find Java and Kotlin examples, but not other JVM languages.
  - wiseowise 2y ago
    Because they’re most likely commercial partners with JetBrains.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    I am old enough to remember when Groovy had similar treatment by Spring.

daghamm 2y ago

Kotlin-Java interoperability is at a completely different level.

fidotron 2y ago

This would happen in about five minutes if a SwiftUI port was included. Which ironically would be just like Flutter, totally bypassing any native UI. My gut feeling is both teams probably have a plan for steamrollering the other in the event of anti monopoly measures forcing each to accept the other store. I.e. it is conceivable you could launch the Play Store on iOS and run a significant proportion of Android apps through a compat layer.

jwells89 2y ago

If Swift were practical to use for Android app development, I would absolutely do so. I enjoy writing Swift more than I do Kotlin by a good measure and not having to wrestle with gradle and proguard would be a nice bonus.

lukeh 2y ago

This [1] is a good place to start! [1] https://github.com/finagolfin/swift-android-sdk https://github.com/finagolfin/swift-android-sdk