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This is correct, the usual procedure is: steal kia or hyundai with your friends using the no-interlock exploit --> find other cars to carjack (at gunpoint), or
by levocardia 2y ago
This is correct, the usual procedure is: steal kia or hyundai with your friends using the no-interlock exploit --> find other cars to carjack (at gunpoint), or individuals to rob --> ditch stolen cars when no longer needed. Exploit no-pursuit policies as needed.
- tptacek 2y agoI've posted this point a couple times on HN and I guess I will keep posting until people stop expressing surprise that trivially stealable cars are a precursor to carjackings. I'm not dunking, there's no good reason for people to intuit that! But it's a really important thing to understand.
- adolph 2y agoThanks and thanks to the upthread explanations. Part of what makes it unintuitive is the specificity: * Why Milwaukee and Chicago instead of everywhere? * Why carjacking and not a general increase in crimes that could be facilitated by an unassociated car (bank robbery, toll violations, etc)?
- kgermino 2y agoFWIW the associated crime wave was much broader than carjacking (and I’m actually not aware of a particular increase in carjackings specifically due to the Kia issues but I don’t know) but the Kia issues seem to have started in Milwaukee. For whatever reason, it became A Thing here more than a year before it went national. Car thefts in Milwaukee more than doubled (entirely due to a stupidly large increase in Kia/Hyundai thefts) and we got a reputation for Kia thefts before it became a national issue
- jeffbee 2y agoI question whether Milwaukee and Chicago are outstanding examples. I looked at a few reputable sources and those cities nor their states seem to be extremes in terms of car theft rates. Most of these law enforcement agencies are not specifically breaking our carjacking. Random presentation of car theft stats comparing Chicago to a handful of others. We hear a lot about Chicago because many have a vested interest in deflecting discussions about crime. When was the last time you heard about the insane motor vehicle theft rate of Dallas? https://public.tableau.com/shared/W2KZH4JC7?:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y https://public.tableau.com/shared/W2KZH4JC7?:display_count=y...
- Tool_of_Society 2y agoHell Mississippi as a state might soon pass Chicago in murder rate per capita. Chicago last year had a murder rate of 22.85 per 100,000 while Mississippi had a murder rate of 20.7 per 100,000. Louisiana had 19.8 and Alabama had 18.6..
- tptacek 2y agoChicago isn't even in the top 10 per capita. It's just a very big city that everybody forgets is a very big city.
- tptacek 2y agoThe phenomenon started in Milwaukee (the "Kia Boys" challenge), and I happen to live in Chicagoland, which experienced a huge wave of carjackings immediately afterwards. I have one of them recorded on my Nest camera in the alley behind my house. Nothing in particular about those two cities otherwise. As the sibling points out: it's a broader issue than just carjackings --- but the carjackings themselves were novel, scared the shit out of people in a way that stochastic-seeming strong arm robberies don't. The headline here is: it was a gravely negligent thing for Kia to have done; I hope they lose their shirts.
- dangptacek 2y ago[dead]
- reaperducer 2y agoWhy Milwaukee and Chicago instead of everywhere? It wasn't just in those cities, it was nationwide. The poster was using those cities as examples because they are familiar to him.
- anarticle 2y ago"Places like" include Philadelphia. It's not a closed set, just some examples. I have friends that have had their KIA stolen this way, and others that have outright sold their car to get a different brand due to how prevalent it is here.
- potato3732842 2y agoI'd really like to see a citation for carjackings going up more than any other crime that a stolen car enables. Cars are hard to fence and if you have a stolen car there's other crimes you can commit that have similar upsides and lower sentences/risks. For example ATMs never run over your buddies or shoot back at you.
- tptacek 2y agoCarjacked cars are usually recovered. They're not carjacked so they can be sold on some weird car black market.
- op00to 2y agoAll stolen cars are usually recovered. The recovery rate is something like 85%.
- Terr_ 2y agoI worry that single percentage might be hiding some complexities like a subcategory of cars with a much lower recovery rate, or having the term "recovered" encompassing "as scrap".
- jshdhehe 2y agoOr the same car keeps getting stolen as someone else suggested. So the % of distinct cars may be lower.
- jshdhehe 2y agoLike cyber exploits then. Get someone to click a link to download something then access their email to send someone else an email and so on.
- bombcar 2y agoHaving a stolen car means the easiest way to identify someone is now non-identifying. It’s a great precursor to avoid being tracked.