Except it's not just about redistribution of copyrighted data, it's about usage and obtainment. We don't get to obtain and use copyrighted content without permi

Except it's not just about redistribution of copyrighted data, it's about usage and obtainment. We don't get to obtain and use copyrighted content without permission, but they do? Hell no. Their arguments against this amounts to "we're not using it like they intend it to be used, so it's fine if we obtain it illegally", and that's a bs standard, totally divorced from any legal reality. Fair Use covers certain transformative uses, certainly, but it doesn't cover illegal obtaining of the content. You can't pirate a book just because you want to use it transformatively (which is exactly what they've done), and that argument would never hold up for us as individuals, so we sure as hell shouldn't let tech companies get a special carve-out for it.