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What if we had laws that required car manufacturers to have software with slightly better quality than the utter syphilitic diarrhea they currently ship?

dopylitty 2y ago
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- psunavy03 2y ago
  Today I learned that counterintelligence and sabotage concerns about a major geopolitical rival are "xenophobic trade war reasons."
  - bluSCALE4 2y ago
    Why would the average consumer car about intelligence of a foreign state? I, for one, have no fear of China presently but the climate in the USA isn't very pro free speech.
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      You missed the obvious elephant in the room with the word sabotage.
    - kube-system 2y ago
      They don't (at least, not in peace time), but the US government does. They also buy cars. Also the concerns of the average consumer aren't a really good barometer for what should be legal. Most consumers gladly sign up for services that violate their privacy, because they don't understand the consequences at the time of purchase. Also people are pretty bad at estimating risks of unknown certainty even when they do know about them. If 'buyer-beware' worked, there would be no need for consumer protection law... but this segment of the law has originated from necessity.
  - wahern 2y ago
    I think you misunderstood the insinuation.[1] I believe they're suggesting that otherwise legitimate vulnerability concerns are discounted in favor of a laissez faire market policy unless and until the concerns are framed by a xenophobic narrative. IOW, xenophobia trumps capitalism, but not measured security concerns. [1] But that's why sarcasm is usually frowned upon on HN.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  Cars are regulated to high heaven. They don't regulate software quality because the unholy union of big business and government that is the current US auto sector and its regulators have yet to find a way or need to do so that benefits them.
  - almatabata 2y ago
    If it only impacted automakers they might do it. However if you apply this standard to cars you will have to apply it to a lot of other sectors. After all why stop at car makers. Why should other appliances not get the same treatment like IoT as well? A lot of other companies would hate to have this standard applied to them hence they lobby against it as well.
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outworlder 2y ago
Hardware companies usually suck at doing software.

dopylitty 2y ago

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psunavy03 2y ago
Today I learned that counterintelligence and sabotage concerns about a major geopolitical rival are "xenophobic trade war reasons."
- bluSCALE4 2y ago
  Why would the average consumer car about intelligence of a foreign state? I, for one, have no fear of China presently but the climate in the USA isn't very pro free speech.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    You missed the obvious elephant in the room with the word sabotage.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    They don't (at least, not in peace time), but the US government does. They also buy cars. Also the concerns of the average consumer aren't a really good barometer for what should be legal. Most consumers gladly sign up for services that violate their privacy, because they don't understand the consequences at the time of purchase. Also people are pretty bad at estimating risks of unknown certainty even when they do know about them. If 'buyer-beware' worked, there would be no need for consumer protection law... but this segment of the law has originated from necessity.
- wahern 2y ago
  I think you misunderstood the insinuation.[1] I believe they're suggesting that otherwise legitimate vulnerability concerns are discounted in favor of a laissez faire market policy unless and until the concerns are framed by a xenophobic narrative. IOW, xenophobia trumps capitalism, but not measured security concerns. [1] But that's why sarcasm is usually frowned upon on HN.
potato3732842 2y ago
Cars are regulated to high heaven. They don't regulate software quality because the unholy union of big business and government that is the current US auto sector and its regulators have yet to find a way or need to do so that benefits them.
- almatabata 2y ago
  If it only impacted automakers they might do it. However if you apply this standard to cars you will have to apply it to a lot of other sectors. After all why stop at car makers. Why should other appliances not get the same treatment like IoT as well? A lot of other companies would hate to have this standard applied to them hence they lobby against it as well.
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outworlder 2y ago

Hardware companies usually suck at doing software.