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The article isn't clear, but it sounds like the cars were already being tracked, only now also "unauthorized" people could track them (when before, only Kia and

The article isn't clear, but it sounds like the cars were already being tracked, only now also "unauthorized" people could track them (when before, only Kia and car dealers could track your car). Why is it okay for Kia/manufacturers to spy on our cars, and only a problem when others do it? This attitude is pervasive in reporting on hacks like these - the initial spying by corporations is always given a pass (or rather, it is implied that's not even "tracking", as the title implies the tracking happened only after the hack).

datax2 2y ago
Almost all modern cars have a way of providing or grabbing location data, however most manufactures do not "Spy" on your car by default, this would violate CCPA, colorados privacy act, GDPR... ETC. The users need to opt-in to telematics data. For example in Hyundai case when you create a "Blue link" account and accept their terms of service you are connecting whatever vehicle you have verified on your account to their telematics system, and subsequently opting in to tracking. Manufactures like VW/Audi place an opt out within the vehicle itself so if you opt out of telematics in the vehicle you are in a full privacy mode and the manufacture cannot get the data or override this request. This covers the scenario if other "Users" of the vehicle are driving and would choose to opt out outside of the main users/owner. So some bake it into your app registration and signup, and some leave it in the vehicle. The gist is you can opt out, and if the manufacturer does not respect that you have grounds to sue, Currently there is a lawsuit against GM/Caddy because a user did not opt-in to Usage Based Insurance, but their information was captured and brokered blocking them from acquiring new insurance.
- like_any_other 2y ago
  The EFF [1] is less optimistic that all of this spying is opt-in and clearly-stated (instead of buried in legalese), and Wired [2] likewise mentions cases where it's opt-out instead of -in. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/how-figure-out-what-your-car-knows-about-you-and-opt-out-sharing-when-you-can https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/how-figure-out-what-yo... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20240705093406/https://www.wired.com/story/car-data-privacy-toyota-honda-ford/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240705093406/https://www.wired...
- adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
  often the opt in is buried in 15 pages of paperwork when you buy the vehicle
dang 2y ago
(this was originally posted in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41657833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41657833 but we merged that thread hither)
- busymom0 2y ago
  Did you reply to the wrong parent thread?

datax2 2y ago

Almost all modern cars have a way of providing or grabbing location data, however most manufactures do not "Spy" on your car by default, this would violate CCPA, colorados privacy act, GDPR... ETC. The users need to opt-in to telematics data. For example in Hyundai case when you create a "Blue link" account and accept their terms of service you are connecting whatever vehicle you have verified on your account to their telematics system, and subsequently opting in to tracking. Manufactures like VW/Audi place an opt out within the vehicle itself so if you opt out of telematics in the vehicle you are in a full privacy mode and the manufacture cannot get the data or override this request. This covers the scenario if other "Users" of the vehicle are driving and would choose to opt out outside of the main users/owner. So some bake it into your app registration and signup, and some leave it in the vehicle. The gist is you can opt out, and if the manufacturer does not respect that you have grounds to sue, Currently there is a lawsuit against GM/Caddy because a user did not opt-in to Usage Based Insurance, but their information was captured and brokered blocking them from acquiring new insurance.

like_any_other 2y ago
The EFF [1] is less optimistic that all of this spying is opt-in and clearly-stated (instead of buried in legalese), and Wired [2] likewise mentions cases where it's opt-out instead of -in. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/how-figure-out-what-your-car-knows-about-you-and-opt-out-sharing-when-you-can https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/how-figure-out-what-yo... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20240705093406/https://www.wired.com/story/car-data-privacy-toyota-honda-ford/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240705093406/https://www.wired...
adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
often the opt in is buried in 15 pages of paperwork when you buy the vehicle

dang 2y ago

(this was originally posted in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41657833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41657833 but we merged that thread hither)

busymom0 2y ago
Did you reply to the wrong parent thread?