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TBF, while the Agile Manifesto really truck a cord, it wasn't saying anything concrete (talk to each other, collaborate, be flexible, react to reality etc.), th

TBF, while the Agile Manifesto really truck a cord, it wasn't saying anything concrete (talk to each other, collaborate, be flexible, react to reality etc.), that of course by design. So any actual working system can be stamped as "not agile" as surely there will be some aspect that is not perfect. My favorite was "Customer collaboration over contract negotiation": a contract is there to protect both parties, so of course it will be central to a project and people will preferably stick to it, even adjust it when it doesn't fit the bill anymore. So in any case where things go wrong for whatever reason, we can inevitably say more collaboration was needed and that Agile principle wasn't respected. That probably comes from the same sentiment as parents telling their kid to not fall from their bike, it's in human nature.

randomdata 2y ago
> it wasn't saying anything concrete (talk to each other, collaborate, be flexible, react to reality etc.) No, there is something concrete there: No managers. Traditionally those would be the concern of the manager. Agile says it best be the concern of the developers. Which, of course, is Agile's whole deal. It is all about self-organization. The Twelve Principles goes into more detail about what to think about in the absence of managers; to ensure that developers take over the jobs that managers would traditionally do. Ironically, it seems only managers have an interest in Agile, in a bastardized form, as a way to push their workload off onto others, but without giving up their paycheque. Which is also why we're seeing a death spiral now. With higher interest rates seeing businesses cracking down on the work being done, managers are finding it necessary to shape up and start doing their job again.
- taylodl 2y ago
  That's an interesting perspective. I'm not entirely sure you're right, but I feel you're not wrong! I've going to have to chew on this one.

randomdata 2y ago

> it wasn't saying anything concrete (talk to each other, collaborate, be flexible, react to reality etc.) No, there is something concrete there: No managers. Traditionally those would be the concern of the manager. Agile says it best be the concern of the developers. Which, of course, is Agile's whole deal. It is all about self-organization. The Twelve Principles goes into more detail about what to think about in the absence of managers; to ensure that developers take over the jobs that managers would traditionally do. Ironically, it seems only managers have an interest in Agile, in a bastardized form, as a way to push their workload off onto others, but without giving up their paycheque. Which is also why we're seeing a death spiral now. With higher interest rates seeing businesses cracking down on the work being done, managers are finding it necessary to shape up and start doing their job again.

taylodl 2y ago
That's an interesting perspective. I'm not entirely sure you're right, but I feel you're not wrong! I've going to have to chew on this one.