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This is the main difference in politics, as far as I can tell: Some people push for things that seem really compassionate and intuitively good and right, but ac
by MisterDizzy 2y ago
This is the main difference in politics, as far as I can tell: Some people push for things that seem really compassionate and intuitively good and right, but actually make the problem a lot worse. But to argue this is almost always futile because all most people seem able to absorb is that you're disagreeing with their intuitively compassionate position, not that you're trying to posit a solution that actually functions, so in their eyes you're an existential threat to them.
- lbhdc 2y agoThe road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago> not that you're trying to posit a solution that actually functions Give me an example of a "solution that actually functions," to any problem you know a lot about, during a period of high inflation.
- beaglessss 2y agoLegalizing floating market exchange rates.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoTariffs on imports. I saw FIRST HAND that overnight we went from only quoting in China and Taiwan, to quoting and getting deals in USA. I was writing the quotes, I was approving them. It turned right back around in 2021.
- nullindividual 2y agoTariffs are a tax on Americans. The stuff still gets imported -- at a higher cost to cover the tariff.
- gadflyinyoureye 2y agoBut it incentivizes making things in the US. This is probably a good thing if the CCP hits hard times.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoThank you for correcting my first-hand experiences. You know what we didn’t do? We didn’t “tax Americans” by continuing to use China, we made what we could in the US.
- nullindividual 2y agoGreat, you're in the minority of companies that did so.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y agoA counterpart at GM was going the same as me. Yea, small company tho. What I love is that you can’t admit that you could be wrong - when someone on the street is this case is telling you directly. You have no idea what you are talking about. Just a stubborn ideologue that could never admit Trump was right on this.
- doctorpangloss 2y agoCan you define the problem?
- mc32 2y agoPeople dislike actual data so much, in this case they have flagged the item because it goes counter to their narrative.
- tivert 2y agoActually, I think there's a pretty legitimate reason to flag this. The actual article is from the quite biased libertarian Reason Magazine: https://reason.com/2024/09/26/rents-fall-and-listings-increase-after-javier-milei-ends-rent-control-in-argentina/ https://reason.com/2024/09/26/rents-fall-and-listings-increa..., but it's being laundered through msn.com, which obscures that.
- lbhdc 2y agoYour post seems like an example of what GP is talking about. A source being biased doesn't mean it can't make a valid point, nor does it mean that MSN can't do their own vetting.
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- tivert 2y ago> Your post seems like an example of what GP is talking about. No it isn't. The GP accused the flaggers of flagging it for ideological reasons, because it goes "counter to their narrative." I'm saying that it's legitmate to flag because it's been posted using the wrong url, because awareness of the true source and knowledge of its biases is useful for evaluating the content.
- lbhdc 2y ago>But to argue this is almost always futile because all most people seem able to absorb is that you're disagreeing with their intuitively compassionate position
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- 01100011 2y agoThere are ideologues and there are pragmatists. Partisans are, to varying degrees, ideologues who see the world not as it is but how it must be based upon their presuppositions. Ideologies gave us freedom, democracy, and nearly every genocide. They can be useful, to a degree, but like any model they break down and cause problems when taken to the extreme.
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- nullindividual 2y ago> actually make the problem a lot worse You need to get rid of the actual problem: Capitalism The context of all these good/bad arguments is that they're good/bad solutions under Capitalism.
- gadflyinyoureye 2y agoWith what shall we replace it? Communism doesn’t work. It’s so hard to do that it has supposedly never been tried.
- nullindividual 2y agoI don't have an answer to that. But Communism was never implemented in it's "described" (or "pure", if you want to frame it that way) form. The Soviet Union was clearly heavily corrupted, among many other issues that diverge from what Communism is "supposed" to be. Perhaps a system that favors people over corporations?
- cbeach 2y agoA system that centralises power over everything into the hands of a single government will ALWAYS end in corruption, surely that’s obvious? Under capitalism, individuals are allowed to own enterprises. If they’re corrupted, they’ll fail and other enterprises will supersede them. Under socialism and communism, state monopolies deny ownership and accountability to the public. If they’re corrupted, there is nowhere else to turn. Join the queue for your turnip rations and be happy you’re equal to all the other miserable people stuck under the regime (except the government officials of course - they’re never equal to the plebs) How anyone can support far-left ideology after the lessons of the 20th century is beyond me.
- nullindividual 2y ago> A system that centralises power over everything into the hands of a single government will ALWAYS end in corruption, surely that’s obvious? See: United States government See: American police/CJS See: City governments > Under capitalism, individuals are allowed to own enterprises. I live under this system, you don't need to explain it. I can see how it has failed for millions of Americans while propping up the very few. > How anyone can support far-left ideology after the lessons of the 20th century is beyond me. I never said I supported Communism. But Capitalism is a failure for the proles due to corruption, favoritism, and purchasing of the [American] government.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago> “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock
- Veliladon 2y agoA robber baron’s cupidity may at some point be satiated? That’s why check notes billionaires keep increasing their share of total wealth year on year?