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For the admins - Dup - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98438 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98438

by raju 18y ago

d0mine 18y ago
Thanks. I think 352 days is an excusable time for the repost.
- zitterbewegung 18y ago
  No offense but I think a great deal of hacker news fans have seen this one way or the other. I remember there was response to this called lisp is an acceptable lisp. If you want lisp and are using ruby why not just use lisp? If you want ruby but use lisp just use ruby. It doesn't matter which programming language you express your ideas in. It only matters if you actually get cracking and implement your ideas. Pointless saber rattling about programming languages is quaint and dandy if you aren't actually programming. To quote feynmann "If I were forced to sum up in one sentence what the Copenhagen interpretation says to me, it would be 'Shut up and calculate!"
  - dag 18y ago
    http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptab... ?
    - zitterbewegung 18y ago
      Yea I agree with yegge. I think that lisp is what you make of it. Language doesn't matter.
      - tptacek 18y ago
        I don't think that's actually Yegge's point, is it?
        zitterbewegung 18y ago
        I misread yegge. lisp isn't a popular language its more of a language where you either use for industry or you use for experimentation or both. I personally think it doesn't matter what you code in blub or not blub it just doesn't matter. What matters is if you ship or not.
    - radu_floricica 18y ago
      Humm... I still think the problems with the platform are about an order of magnitude greater then the problems with the language per se. You first need to have something to work with, and only after that you can think about improving it.
    - deleted 18y ago
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    - gaius 18y ago
      Reading the comments on that blog entry, I can't help but think Lisp is Blub. The Lisp users posting there simply can't comprehend that anything is wrong and have no tolerance for anyone who says anything is.
  - radu_floricica 18y ago
    The lisp vs foo is somewhat special. An accessible, easy-to-learn lisp platform with a full complement of libraries is pretty much a bit of a Holy Grail. edit: Ups, read the "Lisp is not an acceptable Lisp". Makes the same point...
    - jrockway 18y ago
      An accessible, easy-to-learn lisp platform with a full complement of libraries PLT Scheme? Clojure? Even CL has some of the best libraries I've used, although coverage can be spotty at times. This still hasn't killed all the other programming languages, which leads me to believe that libraries aren't actually what matters. I think, instead, that most people pick programming languages based on what's crammed down their throats. For a UNIX app, you "have to" use C. For everything else, you "have to" use Java, since that's what you learned at school (now it's .NET too). Popularity is overrated anyway. Haskell and SBCL are not exactly popular, but they have great runtimes, important modern features, and plenty of libraries and tools. The only reason not to use them is because you'd rather use Java instead.
    - zitterbewegung 18y ago
      Why does a language make such an dichotomy. Why not instead learn tools and apply it in the languages that you know. Use what you know not the dogma of the other languages.

For the admins - Dup - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98438 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98438

by raju 18y ago

For the admins - Dup - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98438 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=98438

d0mine 18y ago

Thanks. I think 352 days is an excusable time for the repost.

zitterbewegung 18y ago
No offense but I think a great deal of hacker news fans have seen this one way or the other. I remember there was response to this called lisp is an acceptable lisp. If you want lisp and are using ruby why not just use lisp? If you want ruby but use lisp just use ruby. It doesn't matter which programming language you express your ideas in. It only matters if you actually get cracking and implement your ideas. Pointless saber rattling about programming languages is quaint and dandy if you aren't actually programming. To quote feynmann "If I were forced to sum up in one sentence what the Copenhagen interpretation says to me, it would be 'Shut up and calculate!"
- dag 18y ago
  http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptab... ?
  - zitterbewegung 18y ago
    Yea I agree with yegge. I think that lisp is what you make of it. Language doesn't matter.
    - tptacek 18y ago
      I don't think that's actually Yegge's point, is it?
      - zitterbewegung 18y ago
        I misread yegge. lisp isn't a popular language its more of a language where you either use for industry or you use for experimentation or both. I personally think it doesn't matter what you code in blub or not blub it just doesn't matter. What matters is if you ship or not.
  - radu_floricica 18y ago
    Humm... I still think the problems with the platform are about an order of magnitude greater then the problems with the language per se. You first need to have something to work with, and only after that you can think about improving it.
  - deleted 18y ago
    [deleted]
  - gaius 18y ago
    Reading the comments on that blog entry, I can't help but think Lisp is Blub. The Lisp users posting there simply can't comprehend that anything is wrong and have no tolerance for anyone who says anything is.
- radu_floricica 18y ago
  The lisp vs foo is somewhat special. An accessible, easy-to-learn lisp platform with a full complement of libraries is pretty much a bit of a Holy Grail. edit: Ups, read the "Lisp is not an acceptable Lisp". Makes the same point...
  - jrockway 18y ago
    An accessible, easy-to-learn lisp platform with a full complement of libraries PLT Scheme? Clojure? Even CL has some of the best libraries I've used, although coverage can be spotty at times. This still hasn't killed all the other programming languages, which leads me to believe that libraries aren't actually what matters. I think, instead, that most people pick programming languages based on what's crammed down their throats. For a UNIX app, you "have to" use C. For everything else, you "have to" use Java, since that's what you learned at school (now it's .NET too). Popularity is overrated anyway. Haskell and SBCL are not exactly popular, but they have great runtimes, important modern features, and plenty of libraries and tools. The only reason not to use them is because you'd rather use Java instead.
  - zitterbewegung 18y ago
    Why does a language make such an dichotomy. Why not instead learn tools and apply it in the languages that you know. Use what you know not the dogma of the other languages.