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For me personally they build a lot of trust back with their work on llama. Also they do have capable software engineers. But hardware is a different thing. I am

For me personally they build a lot of trust back with their work on llama. Also they do have capable software engineers. But hardware is a different thing. I am still burned by their handling of hardware support for Oculus devices. To such a degree that neither VR nor AR is of significant interest anymore, never mind developing software for such products. That said, I was never a Facebook user. I do have an account and that is that, which I tend to not use in most browser session because of Facebook surveillance.

stiray 2y ago
If you are android user, dont know about Apple, 3rd party applications are full of Facebook SDK, try installing https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases (and pay author a coffee, he seriously deserves it) and check the domains apps are accessing. You might figure out you are Facebook user. Just nobody told you.
- JimDabell 2y ago
  This was the point of App Tracking Transparency (ATT) on iOS. If an app embeds a third-party SDK that tracks you, such as the Facebook SDK, they are required to get your permission first with a system popup. They aren’t allowed to track you silently without your knowledge.
  - hathawsh 2y ago
    I would be very interested in learning how ATT compares with Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection. Does anyone know?
    - JimDabell 2y ago
      To be clear, ATT is the system Apple put in place for native apps that is enforced by the App Store review process. When it comes to the browser, I think you’re more interested in Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP). You should check out WebKit‘s tracking prevention policy: https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention-policy/ https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention-policy/ Also the Privacy category on the WebKit blog: https://webkit.org/blog/category/privacy/ https://webkit.org/blog/category/privacy/ Specific blog posts you might be interested in are: https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention/ https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention... https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention-2-3/ https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention... https://webkit.org/blog/10218/full-third-party-cookie-blocking-and-more/ https://webkit.org/blog/10218/full-third-party-cookie-blocki... https://webkit.org/blog/11338/cname-cloaking-and-bounce-tracking-defense/ https://webkit.org/blog/11338/cname-cloaking-and-bounce-trac... https://webkit.org/blog/11545/updates-to-the-storage-access-api/ https://webkit.org/blog/11545/updates-to-the-storage-access-... https://webkit.org/blog/15697/private-browsing-2-0/ https://webkit.org/blog/15697/private-browsing-2-0/
  - stiray 2y ago
    Yes, I am aware, that Apple is trying very hard to be the only one in ecosystem, that is tracking you where you cant do anything to avoid it due to completely closed phone. With such a cure, you don't need disease. That is why I was using heavily modified Android. As I could prevent Android tracking me and kick the Google spyware out of it completely. I am now using Sailfish ( https://sailfishos.org https://sailfishos.org ) and I don't need to care about Google or Apple any more. Need to patch banking app from time to time and use plastic cards, but this is acceptable (well, not from bank software but I couldn't care less, they are free to port it to linux and make it open source /s ). --- Anyway, the GDPR is requiring from applications to disclose tracking and allow you to chose what tracking if any, you will allow, before it occurs. Not only that, PIA cant be a payment for app usage. So in theory, Apple is only enforcing what is already required from applications by EU directive.
Meniceses 2y ago
Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news (covid, human harrassment etc.), probably someone died due to lack of taking ownership/responsibility, election fraud through not acting on it. Yes i do like Llama but lets be honest who paid for it and for what. Just because suckerburg gives us nice toys... He could actually start giving his money away to humanity in a relevant and meaningful way to start fixing what he did to our society.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news Guess what? New iOS features and YouTube videos are paid-for and provided in the exact same way. Both Apple and Google are complicit in spreading misinformation, advertising to kids and profiting from lootbox/microtransaction revenue. But nobody consciously objects to Apple for partnering with Taboola, or Google for supporting extremism on YouTube. No sane critic lashes out at Tim Cook or Sundar Pichai demanding they donate their life savings to offset the obvious damages they've created. I think Meta and moreover Facebook is a purely detestable platform. It's absolutely hilarious how unwilling this website is to apply the same criticism to their other favorite services. The cognitive dissonance is arresting.
  - bordercases 2y ago
    To be fair, you don't know what the poster believes about those services either.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      That's true, but my stance frankly wouldn't change if they also thought Google and Apple needed to spend the rest of their existence as a charity case. My point is more that it's a silly measure of damages, since this behavior is table stakes in the FAANG echelons. It's like saying that we should reject Open Source contributions by Google and Amazon because they pay their engineers with money made off exploitative server deals. It's a reach.
PaulHoule 2y ago
I have made my peace with React (I know I can draw anything I can imagine with it, which I can't say for Vue, I can even draw 3-d worlds) but many people think React ruined web development.

stiray 2y ago

If you are android user, dont know about Apple, 3rd party applications are full of Facebook SDK, try installing https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases (and pay author a coffee, he seriously deserves it) and check the domains apps are accessing. You might figure out you are Facebook user. Just nobody told you.

JimDabell 2y ago
This was the point of App Tracking Transparency (ATT) on iOS. If an app embeds a third-party SDK that tracks you, such as the Facebook SDK, they are required to get your permission first with a system popup. They aren’t allowed to track you silently without your knowledge.
- hathawsh 2y ago
  I would be very interested in learning how ATT compares with Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection. Does anyone know?
  - JimDabell 2y ago
    To be clear, ATT is the system Apple put in place for native apps that is enforced by the App Store review process. When it comes to the browser, I think you’re more interested in Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP). You should check out WebKit‘s tracking prevention policy: https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention-policy/ https://webkit.org/tracking-prevention-policy/ Also the Privacy category on the WebKit blog: https://webkit.org/blog/category/privacy/ https://webkit.org/blog/category/privacy/ Specific blog posts you might be interested in are: https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention/ https://webkit.org/blog/7675/intelligent-tracking-prevention... https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention-2-3/ https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention... https://webkit.org/blog/10218/full-third-party-cookie-blocking-and-more/ https://webkit.org/blog/10218/full-third-party-cookie-blocki... https://webkit.org/blog/11338/cname-cloaking-and-bounce-tracking-defense/ https://webkit.org/blog/11338/cname-cloaking-and-bounce-trac... https://webkit.org/blog/11545/updates-to-the-storage-access-api/ https://webkit.org/blog/11545/updates-to-the-storage-access-... https://webkit.org/blog/15697/private-browsing-2-0/ https://webkit.org/blog/15697/private-browsing-2-0/
- stiray 2y ago
  Yes, I am aware, that Apple is trying very hard to be the only one in ecosystem, that is tracking you where you cant do anything to avoid it due to completely closed phone. With such a cure, you don't need disease. That is why I was using heavily modified Android. As I could prevent Android tracking me and kick the Google spyware out of it completely. I am now using Sailfish ( https://sailfishos.org https://sailfishos.org ) and I don't need to care about Google or Apple any more. Need to patch banking app from time to time and use plastic cards, but this is acceptable (well, not from bank software but I couldn't care less, they are free to port it to linux and make it open source /s ). --- Anyway, the GDPR is requiring from applications to disclose tracking and allow you to chose what tracking if any, you will allow, before it occurs. Not only that, PIA cant be a payment for app usage. So in theory, Apple is only enforcing what is already required from applications by EU directive.

Meniceses 2y ago

Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news (covid, human harrassment etc.), probably someone died due to lack of taking ownership/responsibility, election fraud through not acting on it. Yes i do like Llama but lets be honest who paid for it and for what. Just because suckerburg gives us nice toys... He could actually start giving his money away to humanity in a relevant and meaningful way to start fixing what he did to our society.

talldayo 2y ago
> Paid and provided by "Pay to win games, targeting kids, not preventing fake news Guess what? New iOS features and YouTube videos are paid-for and provided in the exact same way. Both Apple and Google are complicit in spreading misinformation, advertising to kids and profiting from lootbox/microtransaction revenue. But nobody consciously objects to Apple for partnering with Taboola, or Google for supporting extremism on YouTube. No sane critic lashes out at Tim Cook or Sundar Pichai demanding they donate their life savings to offset the obvious damages they've created. I think Meta and moreover Facebook is a purely detestable platform. It's absolutely hilarious how unwilling this website is to apply the same criticism to their other favorite services. The cognitive dissonance is arresting.
- bordercases 2y ago
  To be fair, you don't know what the poster believes about those services either.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    That's true, but my stance frankly wouldn't change if they also thought Google and Apple needed to spend the rest of their existence as a charity case. My point is more that it's a silly measure of damages, since this behavior is table stakes in the FAANG echelons. It's like saying that we should reject Open Source contributions by Google and Amazon because they pay their engineers with money made off exploitative server deals. It's a reach.

PaulHoule 2y ago

I have made my peace with React (I know I can draw anything I can imagine with it, which I can't say for Vue, I can even draw 3-d worlds) but many people think React ruined web development.