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With the advent of "Kia Boys" and now this, it's a miracle people still buy Kias.

thrtythreeforty 2y ago
They have the best EV architecture on the planet currently; despite all the hacking issues, I'm still considering an EV6 for my next vehicle. Probably with a yanked cell radio fuse...
- solarpunk 2y ago
  can you explain what you mean by ev architecture?
  - i80and 2y ago
    Hyundai and Kia use an 800V high voltage electrical system. The upshot is their vehicles charge scary fast, peaking in the mid 200kW's
    - thrtythreeforty 2y ago
      Exactly. It makes a DC fast charge session (on a reasonably spec'd charger) take 20 minutes, not an hour like on competing EVs that peak at 150kW. EV companies haven't quite figured out that the only two things consumers care about are range and charge rate (well, and cost, but there's an untapped market of people willing to pay if the featureset is there). Everyone has settled on 300mi range, which in my opinion is a little low but workable (at 80mph you'd have to stop every 3.5 hours), but for some reason nobody can get their act together on charge rate. Consumers need to purchase a car for their 99th percentile use case, which for much of America includes at least one road trip per year. The DC fast charge experience is basically the whole story there.
      - MostlyStable 2y ago
        Obviously better charge rate would be better, and would be a bigger improvement than more range, but I've found that long road trips (10+ hours total driving time) with my 2023 Hyundai Kona, peak charge rate of ~70kW, is tolerable. I'd like my next EV (whenever I get it), to have a higher charge rate, but if I'm being honest, I'd care more other features such as V2H capability and physical media/HVAC controls. Now, fundamentally there is no reason that I should have to choose between these options. They are orthoganal, but if I was choosing between different vehicles, I'd give up charge speed to get those other features.
      - i80and 2y ago
        Agreed, but just a nit: cars that charge at 150kW peak tend to 10-80 in about 30 minutes, not an hour. Source: my ID.4
    - neallindsay 2y ago
      Lucid and Porsche also have comparable internal voltages, but of course they are much more expensive than Hyundai and Kia.
- speedgoose 2y ago
  In addition to the privacy and security issues, they also have a substandard infotainment still running Android 4.
  - buggeryorkshire 2y ago
    Android 4? I had a 2017 Kia Ceed where I hacked the head unit, and I'm sure that was at least Android 6?
    - speedgoose 2y ago
      Older cars may have newer Android versions. People say that the Ioniq 5 is still running Android 4.4, but I havn't verified myself.
hypeatei 2y ago
Cars are essential to living in America except for a few cities. Car manufacturers can basically do whatever they want. There was a recent YouTube video with a car thief that basically showcased a "special" tablet that could get any car started in a minute by plugging into the OBD port. Pretty shitty security model if it relies on no tablets getting out.
- moe_sc 2y ago
  Do you have a link to the video?
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=YS2K_quFWuY https://youtube.com/watch?v=YS2K_quFWuY Note: the technical details are very lacking so it may not be that interesting to most here. tl;dw: there is a reseller that shouldn't be selling the tablets to "unauthorized" people and some other tidbits about how the thief operates.
- myself248 2y ago
  If someone's already inside the car, I expect them to be able to hotwire it eventually. The trouble is when manufacturers extend the CAN bus out to the smart headlights or something, and it's the same bus that the body control sits on, so they can just send a door-unlock message...
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They have the best EV architecture on the planet currently; despite all the hacking issues, I'm still considering an EV6 for my next vehicle. Probably with a yanked cell radio fuse...

solarpunk 2y ago
can you explain what you mean by ev architecture?
- i80and 2y ago
  Hyundai and Kia use an 800V high voltage electrical system. The upshot is their vehicles charge scary fast, peaking in the mid 200kW's
  - thrtythreeforty 2y ago
    Exactly. It makes a DC fast charge session (on a reasonably spec'd charger) take 20 minutes, not an hour like on competing EVs that peak at 150kW. EV companies haven't quite figured out that the only two things consumers care about are range and charge rate (well, and cost, but there's an untapped market of people willing to pay if the featureset is there). Everyone has settled on 300mi range, which in my opinion is a little low but workable (at 80mph you'd have to stop every 3.5 hours), but for some reason nobody can get their act together on charge rate. Consumers need to purchase a car for their 99th percentile use case, which for much of America includes at least one road trip per year. The DC fast charge experience is basically the whole story there.
    - MostlyStable 2y ago
      Obviously better charge rate would be better, and would be a bigger improvement than more range, but I've found that long road trips (10+ hours total driving time) with my 2023 Hyundai Kona, peak charge rate of ~70kW, is tolerable. I'd like my next EV (whenever I get it), to have a higher charge rate, but if I'm being honest, I'd care more other features such as V2H capability and physical media/HVAC controls. Now, fundamentally there is no reason that I should have to choose between these options. They are orthoganal, but if I was choosing between different vehicles, I'd give up charge speed to get those other features.
    - i80and 2y ago
      Agreed, but just a nit: cars that charge at 150kW peak tend to 10-80 in about 30 minutes, not an hour. Source: my ID.4
  - neallindsay 2y ago
    Lucid and Porsche also have comparable internal voltages, but of course they are much more expensive than Hyundai and Kia.
speedgoose 2y ago
In addition to the privacy and security issues, they also have a substandard infotainment still running Android 4.
- buggeryorkshire 2y ago
  Android 4? I had a 2017 Kia Ceed where I hacked the head unit, and I'm sure that was at least Android 6?
  - speedgoose 2y ago
    Older cars may have newer Android versions. People say that the Ioniq 5 is still running Android 4.4, but I havn't verified myself.

hypeatei 2y ago

Cars are essential to living in America except for a few cities. Car manufacturers can basically do whatever they want. There was a recent YouTube video with a car thief that basically showcased a "special" tablet that could get any car started in a minute by plugging into the OBD port. Pretty shitty security model if it relies on no tablets getting out.

moe_sc 2y ago
Do you have a link to the video?
- hypeatei 2y ago
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=YS2K_quFWuY https://youtube.com/watch?v=YS2K_quFWuY Note: the technical details are very lacking so it may not be that interesting to most here. tl;dw: there is a reseller that shouldn't be selling the tablets to "unauthorized" people and some other tidbits about how the thief operates.
myself248 2y ago
If someone's already inside the car, I expect them to be able to hotwire it eventually. The trouble is when manufacturers extend the CAN bus out to the smart headlights or something, and it's the same bus that the body control sits on, so they can just send a door-unlock message...

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