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The people running the show are well connected and stand to make billions as do would be investors. Give a few key players a share in the company and they forge

The people running the show are well connected and stand to make billions as do would be investors. Give a few key players a share in the company and they forget their government jobs to regulate.

barbazoo 2y ago
More likely the legal system just hasn’t caught up.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  Maybe, but for the first time in a century there is more money to be made in weakening copyright rather than strengthening it.
  - dingnuts 2y ago
    god forbid that actually be happening in a way to improve the commons
  - vezycash 2y ago
    > for the first time in a century there is more money to be made in weakening copyright rather than strengthening it Nope. The law will side with whoever pays the most. Once OpenAI solidifies its top position, only then will regulations kick in. Take YouTube, for example—it grew thanks to piracy. Now, as the leader, ContentID and DMCA rules work in its favor, blocking competition. If TikTok wasn’t a copyright-ignoring Chinese company, it would’ve been dead on arrival.
    - Sakos 2y ago
      We're already seeing it in things like Google buying rights to Reddit data for training. It's already happening. Only companies who can afford to pay will be building AI, so Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.
  - archagon 2y ago
    The big companies will sign lucrative data sharing deals with each other and build a collective moat, while open source models will be left to rot. Copyright for thee but not for me.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    That's an interesting way to look at it, however on reflection I think I usually wanted to "weaken copyright" because it would empower individuals versus entrenched rent-seeking interests. If it's only OK to scrape, lossy-compress, and redistribute book-paragraphs when it gets blended into a huge library of other attempts, then that's only going to empower big players that can afford to operate at that scale.
- rayiner 2y ago
  You’re both correct. The legal system has absolutely no idea how to handle the copyright issues around using content for AI training data. It’s a completely novel issue. At the same time, the tech companies have a lot more money to litigate favorable interpretations of the law than the content companies.
- xpe 2y ago
  Copyright concerns are only the tip of the iceberg. Think about the range of other harms and disruptions for countries and the world.
SoftTalker 2y ago
They are also moving so much faster than the regulators and legislatures, it's just impossible for people working basically the same way they did in the 19th century to keep up.

The people running the show are well connected and stand to make billions as do would be investors. Give a few key players a share in the company and they forget their government jobs to regulate.

barbazoo 2y ago

More likely the legal system just hasn’t caught up.

llm_trw 2y ago
Maybe, but for the first time in a century there is more money to be made in weakening copyright rather than strengthening it.
- dingnuts 2y ago
  god forbid that actually be happening in a way to improve the commons
- vezycash 2y ago
  > for the first time in a century there is more money to be made in weakening copyright rather than strengthening it Nope. The law will side with whoever pays the most. Once OpenAI solidifies its top position, only then will regulations kick in. Take YouTube, for example—it grew thanks to piracy. Now, as the leader, ContentID and DMCA rules work in its favor, blocking competition. If TikTok wasn’t a copyright-ignoring Chinese company, it would’ve been dead on arrival.
  - Sakos 2y ago
    We're already seeing it in things like Google buying rights to Reddit data for training. It's already happening. Only companies who can afford to pay will be building AI, so Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.
- archagon 2y ago
  The big companies will sign lucrative data sharing deals with each other and build a collective moat, while open source models will be left to rot. Copyright for thee but not for me.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  That's an interesting way to look at it, however on reflection I think I usually wanted to "weaken copyright" because it would empower individuals versus entrenched rent-seeking interests. If it's only OK to scrape, lossy-compress, and redistribute book-paragraphs when it gets blended into a huge library of other attempts, then that's only going to empower big players that can afford to operate at that scale.
rayiner 2y ago
You’re both correct. The legal system has absolutely no idea how to handle the copyright issues around using content for AI training data. It’s a completely novel issue. At the same time, the tech companies have a lot more money to litigate favorable interpretations of the law than the content companies.
xpe 2y ago
Copyright concerns are only the tip of the iceberg. Think about the range of other harms and disruptions for countries and the world.

SoftTalker 2y ago

They are also moving so much faster than the regulators and legislatures, it's just impossible for people working basically the same way they did in the 19th century to keep up.