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> IIncredible amount of negativity here. It's FB. They're not popular. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, because I expect it will be absolutely stuffed

> IIncredible amount of negativity here. It's FB. They're not popular. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, because I expect it will be absolutely stuffed with user surveillance.

larodi 2y ago
Was just going to write that there is no way people trust META to become their eyes. Maybe some smaller player. We already greatly distrust f*n mobiles which eavesdrop on everyone's conversation. Considering recent cyberpunk breach I actually expect more people to try to distance themselves from this all. It will probably be top product for telemedicine and teletutoring one day, but it will never be safe in the hands of Meta, no matter how many lammas they put in the loose... Think about it - sometimes it is much more about trust than technology. Yeah, I know all your chats go back and forth commercial GPTs, but you know half of my GPT interraction is already local inference based and it does similar job, and is OK. So that much about wanting to let s.o. see your naked friends. Their days are numbered and if you see how IT history unfolded - there is always rush to the cloud and away from the mainframe. Its like the breathwork in criya yoga, happens simultaneously in a sense. From the funny side of things - such wearables open perspective to lot of people talking to themselves being O.k. in society. Perhaps we could only agree to have such visual interface when things get closer to what guys have in Cyberpunk 2077. Honestly I really hope someone developes a genetic enhancement or all children born 2000 suddently become enlightened enough to master telepathy. I'm much more fascinated by the propspect of personal electronics, and how cheap they have become. I don't want Meta in them for sure, and nobody apt-get installs gcloud or fb as his must have tool.
- radlad 2y ago
  > We already greatly distrust f*n mobiles which eavesdrop on everyone's conversation Yet every single person carries one.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    and yet many people want to get rid of them and move back to a simpler time when people weren’t connected 24/7
  - s0ss 2y ago
    Often out of necessity. I fantasize about disconnecting, but the reality is more complicated; it would difficult for me and others around me were I to disconnect.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - fsflover 2y ago
      I solved this problem by using a GNU/Linux phone.
    - larodi 2y ago
      Perhaps very soon we also start bringing jammers of all sorts when the device is not to be trusted. Not a new concept - every sane person uses firewall and/or VPN.
      - fragmede 2y ago
        you should definitely have a firewall but the security advantages of a VPN are questionable, pushed hard by VPN vendors, who are biased due to what they're selling. They're useful for evading DMCA takedowns but that's not about keeping hackers off your machine.
  - pkphilip 2y ago
    I carry mobile phones only out of compulsion. I often wish for the time when we didn't have this leash around our neck constantly. I would drop this and go back to landlines if I could
hoosieree 2y ago
I used to work with psychology researchers conducting experiments with wearable cameras. Anything involving human subjects needed IRB approval, informed consent, ethics review, etc. But with essentially any piece of tech you use (not just FB), you check "I agree" on a document you'll never read and give the same data to a private company who will use it however they want. And they charge you for it. Imagine if I told you a research organization decided to throw out all their ethics and start charging their research subjects to be experimented on, and that this was actually a really solid business model.
winternett 2y ago
And they'll likely drop support/updates for it quickly after release... These out of pocket devices are sunsetted faster than mobile phones, especially so because they require completely independent development teams that companies love to roll essential staff off of. There have been so many attempts to make VR glasses that it's really not innovation at this point, it's just gimmicky throw-away pocket tech. Something far better to invent is a phone that can project on walls, or project a full-size keyboard onto a table for an easier writing experience. Most of these companies are gutted by investors, and turned into profit machines... There are very few visionaries leading projects now, and huge hurdles with IP theft and related lawsuits that hold up most of the typical innovation, unless these companies come up with game changing ideas that focus less on pushing out ads, they're going to fail with micro-projects like this. VR glasses have been around for ages, none of what Zuckerberg demoed was revolutionary, gotta be honest about it.
- PaulHoule 2y ago
  So far Meta has been great about supporting Meta Quest and Oculus products.
wredue 2y ago
It is Facebook. Everything in earshot and eyeshot of these glasses will be surveilled. AR is certainly cool tech. It is just too bad there’s no company doing it that isn’t doing it just to spy on you.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > Everything in earshot and eyeshot of these glasses will be surveilled. And ads will be plastered over everything in your field of vision. Honestly who would sign up for that?
  - grecy 2y ago
    Plenty of people pay money for smart tvs, Netflix, etc.
    - autoexec 2y ago
      Smart TVs really are stupid, but at least netflix ads only show up when you're using netflix. AR glasses would plaster ads all over any show you watch on any platform, as well as on sunsets, walls, family members, etc.

> IIncredible amount of negativity here. It's FB. They're not popular. I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole, because I expect it will be absolutely stuffed with user surveillance.

larodi 2y ago

Was just going to write that there is no way people trust META to become their eyes. Maybe some smaller player. We already greatly distrust f*n mobiles which eavesdrop on everyone's conversation. Considering recent cyberpunk breach I actually expect more people to try to distance themselves from this all. It will probably be top product for telemedicine and teletutoring one day, but it will never be safe in the hands of Meta, no matter how many lammas they put in the loose... Think about it - sometimes it is much more about trust than technology. Yeah, I know all your chats go back and forth commercial GPTs, but you know half of my GPT interraction is already local inference based and it does similar job, and is OK. So that much about wanting to let s.o. see your naked friends. Their days are numbered and if you see how IT history unfolded - there is always rush to the cloud and away from the mainframe. Its like the breathwork in criya yoga, happens simultaneously in a sense. From the funny side of things - such wearables open perspective to lot of people talking to themselves being O.k. in society. Perhaps we could only agree to have such visual interface when things get closer to what guys have in Cyberpunk 2077. Honestly I really hope someone developes a genetic enhancement or all children born 2000 suddently become enlightened enough to master telepathy. I'm much more fascinated by the propspect of personal electronics, and how cheap they have become. I don't want Meta in them for sure, and nobody apt-get installs gcloud or fb as his must have tool.

radlad 2y ago
> We already greatly distrust f*n mobiles which eavesdrop on everyone's conversation Yet every single person carries one.
- tekknik 2y ago
  and yet many people want to get rid of them and move back to a simpler time when people weren’t connected 24/7
- s0ss 2y ago
  Often out of necessity. I fantasize about disconnecting, but the reality is more complicated; it would difficult for me and others around me were I to disconnect.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - fsflover 2y ago
    I solved this problem by using a GNU/Linux phone.
  - larodi 2y ago
    Perhaps very soon we also start bringing jammers of all sorts when the device is not to be trusted. Not a new concept - every sane person uses firewall and/or VPN.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      you should definitely have a firewall but the security advantages of a VPN are questionable, pushed hard by VPN vendors, who are biased due to what they're selling. They're useful for evading DMCA takedowns but that's not about keeping hackers off your machine.
- pkphilip 2y ago
  I carry mobile phones only out of compulsion. I often wish for the time when we didn't have this leash around our neck constantly. I would drop this and go back to landlines if I could

hoosieree 2y ago

I used to work with psychology researchers conducting experiments with wearable cameras. Anything involving human subjects needed IRB approval, informed consent, ethics review, etc. But with essentially any piece of tech you use (not just FB), you check "I agree" on a document you'll never read and give the same data to a private company who will use it however they want. And they charge you for it. Imagine if I told you a research organization decided to throw out all their ethics and start charging their research subjects to be experimented on, and that this was actually a really solid business model.

winternett 2y ago

And they'll likely drop support/updates for it quickly after release... These out of pocket devices are sunsetted faster than mobile phones, especially so because they require completely independent development teams that companies love to roll essential staff off of. There have been so many attempts to make VR glasses that it's really not innovation at this point, it's just gimmicky throw-away pocket tech. Something far better to invent is a phone that can project on walls, or project a full-size keyboard onto a table for an easier writing experience. Most of these companies are gutted by investors, and turned into profit machines... There are very few visionaries leading projects now, and huge hurdles with IP theft and related lawsuits that hold up most of the typical innovation, unless these companies come up with game changing ideas that focus less on pushing out ads, they're going to fail with micro-projects like this. VR glasses have been around for ages, none of what Zuckerberg demoed was revolutionary, gotta be honest about it.

PaulHoule 2y ago
So far Meta has been great about supporting Meta Quest and Oculus products.

wredue 2y ago

It is Facebook. Everything in earshot and eyeshot of these glasses will be surveilled. AR is certainly cool tech. It is just too bad there’s no company doing it that isn’t doing it just to spy on you.

autoexec 2y ago
> Everything in earshot and eyeshot of these glasses will be surveilled. And ads will be plastered over everything in your field of vision. Honestly who would sign up for that?
- grecy 2y ago
  Plenty of people pay money for smart tvs, Netflix, etc.
  - autoexec 2y ago
    Smart TVs really are stupid, but at least netflix ads only show up when you're using netflix. AR glasses would plaster ads all over any show you watch on any platform, as well as on sunsets, walls, family members, etc.