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If you're running a large business and you don't have a plan in case a free resource provided by someone else goes away, you shouldn't be in business. It really

If you're running a large business and you don't have a plan in case a free resource provided by someone else goes away, you shouldn't be in business. It really is that simple.

EasyMark 2y ago
“The market is merciless” is something a business should always keep in mind, at least when their existence isn’t guaranteed for some reason.
lolinder 2y ago
OP isn't talking about large businesses, they're talking about the hundreds of thousands of small businesses using WP Engine as a host.
- bachmeier 2y ago
  Those small businesses are purchasing something from WP Engine. It's up to WP Engine to deliver, and it's ridiculous if a company that size fails to deliver because they were freeloading without having a backup plan in place. The fault is entirely on WP Engine (who sold the service) not Wordpress (who made no promises at all to WP Engine customers).
  - lolinder 2y ago
    So it's okay for WordPress.org to damage a bunch of WordPress users because they're not customers of Automattic and therefore WordPress.org has no obligations to them? It's this kind of blurring of lines between Automattic and the foundation that has people very very concerned here.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 2y ago
      Yes it's OK. Free Software means that users have freedoms, not that the developer is obliged to provide them free services forever.
      - lolinder 2y ago
        Got it. So Free Software means that the ostensibly-distinct foundation supporting the project can act to defend the interests of the for-profit entity run by the same person.
        Andrew_nenakhov 2y ago
        Yes, why not? If it's not something prohibited by the license, it is permitted. Also, if open source companies wouldn't do it, some open source projects would never reach any kind of maturity if the company creating such project faces the competition who just live off the work of the original team who don't contribute back to the project.

If you're running a large business and you don't have a plan in case a free resource provided by someone else goes away, you shouldn't be in business. It really is that simple.

EasyMark 2y ago

“The market is merciless” is something a business should always keep in mind, at least when their existence isn’t guaranteed for some reason.

lolinder 2y ago

OP isn't talking about large businesses, they're talking about the hundreds of thousands of small businesses using WP Engine as a host.

bachmeier 2y ago
Those small businesses are purchasing something from WP Engine. It's up to WP Engine to deliver, and it's ridiculous if a company that size fails to deliver because they were freeloading without having a backup plan in place. The fault is entirely on WP Engine (who sold the service) not Wordpress (who made no promises at all to WP Engine customers).
- lolinder 2y ago
  So it's okay for WordPress.org to damage a bunch of WordPress users because they're not customers of Automattic and therefore WordPress.org has no obligations to them? It's this kind of blurring of lines between Automattic and the foundation that has people very very concerned here.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 2y ago
    Yes it's OK. Free Software means that users have freedoms, not that the developer is obliged to provide them free services forever.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Got it. So Free Software means that the ostensibly-distinct foundation supporting the project can act to defend the interests of the for-profit entity run by the same person.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 2y ago
        Yes, why not? If it's not something prohibited by the license, it is permitted. Also, if open source companies wouldn't do it, some open source projects would never reach any kind of maturity if the company creating such project faces the competition who just live off the work of the original team who don't contribute back to the project.